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Jester
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That's practically impossible. Even if the Knicks dump enough guys like Camby and Felton to get under the tax to do a S&T, there is no way penny pinching Sterling is taking back Amare or Chandler in a CP3 trade. He'd rather have cap space than a marginal star, he's only in it for the money, not winning or even being competitive. The only way I see the Knicks being able to get Paul is if they were willing to trade Melo for him.


Honestly, the Knicks' FO has to be looking into trading Amar'e. The team is just better without him. He and Melo just don't fit together. If they can free up space by selling low on Amar'e, they may be able to move. However, I don't see many teams lining up to take on Amar'e's contract, which doesn't work so well under the new cap.






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TigerinATL
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the Knicks' FO has to be looking into trading Amar'e.


The untradeable Joe Johnson got traded so you never know, but Amare's untradeable because of injury issues, not basketball value. He hasn't played at all so far this season because of injury and he's still owed $45 million in the following 2 seasons. That's a lot of risk to take on with an uninsurable contract.

But even if they did dump Amare they'd still have to rely on a S&T for CP3 and I still don't see what they have that gets him besides Melo.



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brmark70816
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I was just using the Knicks as an example. Any team could make the moves if it really wanted to and it knew that it was where Paul wanted to go. Of course, Paul could take a really low one year deal as well (under the table deal like Jeff Green). It's just funny that everybody makes a big deal about the cap, but when push comes to shove, the deals get done.





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TigerinATL
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I was just using the Knicks as an example.


And it's a good example because Paul will have to want to play for where ever he ends up. But it will be very hard for the Knicks to make the moves it would take to land Paul. Not impossible, but if I'm considering realistic scenarios of where Paul signs besides LA, I see Atlanta as the biggest threat, especially if Dwight leaves the Lakers.






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Jester
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I was just using the Knicks as an example. Any team could make the moves if it really wanted to and it knew that it was where Paul wanted to go. Of course, Paul could take a really low one year deal as well (under the table deal like Jeff Green). It's just funny that everybody makes a big deal about the cap, but when push comes to shove, the deals get done.



Bull shite. Sure, in some fantasy land anyone can trade for anyone, but there are only so many feasible destinations in the NBA. Most of those teams would have to shed huge amounts of salary to make it happen. Shedding salary is not a simple flip of a switch. Look at us. We had to flip two players for a HUGE contract and Benson ate about $20M only to free up space a year later. If those teams haven't initiated the shed, it's pretty much too late for them.






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Jester
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It's just funny that everybody makes a big deal about the cap, but when push comes to shove, the deals get done.



The part that seems lost on you is that the new cap isn't even fully in effect now. You're basing your entire argument on how the OLD cap operated. Even if they do go over the soft cap, they get into luxury taxes and the price of the contract goes up exponentially. TigerinATL also described how the CAP does indeed keep teams from taking on salary over the cap through S&Ts.

You are trying to mold the facts to fit your answer. You can squeeze that rock all day, but it's not turning into clay for another couple million years.






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brmark70816
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That one would be tough too, if you mean both Paul and Howard going to the Hawks. They have the cap space, but I've heard rumors they would want to go because of Josh Smith. So the Hawks would have to re-sign Smith and trade away Horford (btw, how does Horford make less money than Eric Gordon?) to make the money work. It could happen, but I really think D. Howard stays in LA. There is too much money to be made and I think he'll love the attention. You never know though..





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LosLobos111
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CP wont end up in NY unless a miracle happens. NY would have to get rid of melo or amare which doesn't seem likely.


If/when flop city implodes we will have just as good a shot as anyone imo

NY/LAL will also start to pay out of their arse in tax penalties






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WB504
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I see VDN being let go soon and hiring a coach of CPs choosing if they continue to slide. In the end, I think he stays with the Clippers.





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504Voodoo
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I don't think there's 2 knees between CP3/Bynum/EG








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LosLobos111
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I dont see any guys out there that would be a good fit.



They certainly know how to flop already so they got that working for them atleast.



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TigerinATL
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I've heard rumors they would want to go because of Josh Smith.


I'm sure he'd be part of the deal and they'd follow the Miami model. But I've always thought the likely destination if CP3 and DH12 were both available was a team with the cap space to take them both.

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trade away Horford


Hello Bobcats? How would you like an All Star big for a pretend 2nd rounder and a trade exception?

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Howard stays in LA. There is too much money to be made and I think he'll love the attention. You never know though..


It does seem to fit with his stated goals, and if CP3 was choosing between ATL without Howard and NOLA with Monty, Davis, Anderson and Gordon, I think he would choose the Hornets.






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TigerinATL
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I see VDN being let go soon and hiring a coach of CPs choosing if they continue to slide. In the end, I think he stays with the Clippers.


Yeah. I actually see Jerry Sloan as a bigger threat to CP3's return to NO than Dwight to ATL.






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brmark70816
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The part that seems lost on you is that the new cap isn't even fully in effect now. You're basing your entire argument on how the OLD cap operated. Even if they do go over the soft cap, they get into luxury taxes and the price of the contract goes up exponentially


I got it, but you and I both know that the minute they signed the new deal, the big market clubs were looking for loop holes to make deals work. The luxury tax may be more punitive, but that still won't matter to teams like Brooklyn, New York and the Lakers. Maybe they can't do it through S&Ts, but there are other means. It won't happen, but Paul might choose to just sign for a low ball contract just to go to the team he wants to. He could make up some of the difference through endorsements.






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drake20
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If/when flop city implodes we will have just as good a shot as anyone imo


i don't think so...the history together makes new orleans the last place he will go, imo...he just left. he's not trying to come back.

we are an attractive, rebuilding team. we are not an attractive, contend for a title next year team.






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504Voodoo
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I really like what Gravy is doing right now but Jeff Teague would be a sexy addition.





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Puddinhead
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we are an attractive, rebuilding team. we are not an attractive, contend for a title next year team.


We would be with a superstar PG and a little extra help/good health.






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drake20
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We would be with a superstar PG and a little extra help/good health.


reach

maybe in a perfect world...Gordon can't stay healthy. Davis is a rookie...not title-contenders even with health



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Puddinhead
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maybe in a perfect world...Gordon can't stay healthy. Davis is a rookie...not title-contenders even with health



Davis won't be a rookie next year.






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drake20
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changes nothing...still a young team.

you've got blinders on if you think this team would be a legit title contender with CP3.

if Gordon could play a full season, we'd be good...no reason to believe he can do that



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