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DownshiftAndFloorIt
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re: My bullet saved me from the worst shot I've made on a deer in 30 years yesterda


Definitely my pet caliber.





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re: My bullet saved me from the worst shot I've made on a deer in 30 years yesterda


Just realized what that is. I haven't shot it but I am a fan of the Mannlicher Schoenauer for nostalgic reasons. My dad loved that rifle.





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re: My bullet saved me from the worst shot I've made on a deer in 30 years yesterda


I grew up shooting a tricked out mauser 96 in 6.5x55 swede. Just got done cleaning it up. It's glass bedded in a walnut stock with a timney trigger and a really good bluing job with all matching numbers. SWEET arse rifle but it had an accidental discharge last year because a screw holding the trigger on came loose. Loctited the frick out of it.

The 6.5 is proof that numbers on paper don't mean much. It's pretty mediocre on paper, but that really long skinny bullet performs excellently. Europeans use it for elk and moose hunting.






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re: My bullet saved me from the worst shot I've made on a deer in 30 years yesterda


Faxis,
Forgot to mention that I STILL plan on trying the 125 gr NBT in my 308 Win handgun next year for deer. I've been disappointed w/ the 150 gr Hornady SST bullet as it seems a little to stout at my handgun velocities. Just didn't have time to get around to it this year.






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The 6.5 is proof that numbers on paper don't mean much. It's pretty mediocre on paper, but that really long skinny bullet performs excellently


The 6.5mm bullet has proved to be one of the most stable rounds out there. To increase your "ballistic coefficient" (enter exit wound comment here) you use a longer, more slender round.

For example, a 165gr .308 round will have a better BC than a 125gr .308 round because the bullet is longer and sleeker instead of short and fat.

Then again, when you're slinging out the round at 3000+, it will still shoot pretty flat.






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Tiger I'm not sure what kind of pressures you can take but for some reason I'm not convinced this would make a good handgun round as we're doing it. I'd want to drop velocity on it a lot, not that the barrel length wouldn't already do it but jesus... BOOM. But rifle calibers in pistols is not my forte so you might be right.

Bapple, in my buddies .308 last year he hunted with 167s I think it was. Because we were tuning the rifle for poking a hole in a target. He shot a deer with a crossing shot that went behind the liver and came out in front of the opposite ham. Luckily it cut that artery on the spine and of course a round that heavy knocked a hole in that deer but I was unimpressed with the damage. It was like shoving a toilet paper roll through it and everything inside is fricked but beyond that, not so much.

We switched him to 125 gr this year and he hit a perfect heart shot that just blew the thing away. Took out a rib on each side plus the heart and blew up the lungs and left a massive exit wound behind the opposite shoulder.. In the .308 the round is doing 3000fps so slower than the 06, and obviously the groups aren't going to be as tight because of the BC difference but I stand behind that one too for the same reason. Whitetails are light weight and you have to get damage from the bullet quickly or you miss your chance. Plus the difference in the groups was no more than a half inch at the outside.

That bullet makes a very effective deer round for the .308. I think the key is just making sure you've got it at around 3000 fps.

Gonna find that post and copy it here. Got a lot of pics in that one too.







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This is from another thread a couple weeks ago. He actually shot this opening day.

Lets take a look at what a Nosler Ballistic Tip in .308 does to a buck at 100 yards. Yesterday morning.

Here's the entry hole side. The hole is in that shoulder in the dark area. The shock to this side extends from way up in the neck down to behind the diaghram. This bullet hit ribs on both sides.



Exit hole. Yes, exit. I've killed more deer than I can count with this round out of '06 at 3200FPS and never once stopped it. Apparently you ain't stopping it in .308 either but that's the smallest exit wound I've ever seen on one of these. Doing around 3000 FPS



The heart, or what's left of it. I wish I'd gotten a pic of the cavity. The chest cavity was cherry jelly. Just liquid and snot. Nothing that looked like it actually came from a lung in there.



Entry on the left, exit on the right.




The fartherest I've ever seen a deer run after being hit by this is about 80 yrds. And that was a dead deer running spraying blood like a firehose.



Edit to add.
Entry hole where it struck the rib and turned it into a bomb.





Exit hole where it shows that the bullet is still intact, and still full of energy enough to blow this side up too even upon impact with another rib.




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Just realized the spot where he's holding that heart is within just a few yards of where I shot that doe. We gut them there to get the bobcats and coyotes to hopefully come out in daylight. They never do so we explode crows.





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re: My bullet saved me from the worst shot I've made on a deer in 30 years yesterda


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Nosler Ballistic tip


I can't believe the people that knock this bullet. It's amazing.






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We switched him to 125 gr this year and he hit a perfect heart shot that just blew the thing away


I guess I was referring more to accuracy than anything. A heavier bullet will certainly perform differently than a slighter, faster one. I think you will get more practical accuracy out of a heavier one, but for shooting-deer's sake, the 125gr you're throwing at them seems to do the job.







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Oh no doubt about the 167 being more accurate. It's pretty much perfect BC for the .308. Just gotta find the right one for your rifle. I forget what those were he shot that with. I do remember they were molly coated but I'm thinking they were a controlled expansion thing. I forget. It was nowhere near the damage of the NBT though. Not even in the same realm.

And if I was shooting much further than 200 yards, I'd switch to the big round. The NBT depends on high velocity to work well. Get out too far and it's not going to do what the big bullet does.

But how often do you shoot that far? I can with my .308 700 PSS but that doesn't mean I would. Although I've got a spot for a 503 yard shot if I mow the field down there and cut some small pine trees and build a table up on top of the hill... could set it up with range flags and shoot pigs at a feeder. Set up a target down there and get yourself completely happy with your shooting then move over ten feet and bust a hog with a 167.

If I didn't know that field was gonna outgrow that shot in about two years I might go there. It's now planted with hardwoods.






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. could set it up with range flags and shoot pigs at a feeder.


Sounds like a party. Can I come?

I'll bring beer, you don't have to ask...






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Haha I would but like I said, it's gonna overgrow that shot very soon so I'm not going to build the table there. Concrete tables are a bitch to deal with once they're concreted in. Besides that, the locals have been laying the wood to the hog situation lately. I haven't seen one yet this year. Got some on my camera, including a freaking rhinoceros sized beast I call Oreo. But you can forget about that fricker ever making a mistake. It will take dogs to get him and some of them will probably die for it.





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DownshiftAndFloorIt
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re: My bullet saved me from the worst shot I've made on a deer in 30 years yesterda


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I can't believe the people that knock this bullet


I don't think anybody is really knocking the bullet. It's definitely the pinnacle of ballistic tips. I'm just arguing about the light and fast vs slow and heavy thing.

I've used both, and a .25-06 slinging 117grs at 3100 fps was very unimpressive.






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re: My bullet saved me from the worst shot I've made on a deer in 30 years yesterda


Yeah it's a pretty tight window for the performance of the bullet vs the target. But IMHO this one is right there in the sweet spot.





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TigerOnThe Hill
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Tiger I'm not sure what kind of pressures you can take but for some reason I'm not convinced this would make a good handgun round as we're doing it. I'd want to drop velocity on it a lot, not that the barrel length wouldn't already do it but jesus... BOOM.


Understand your concern, but the gun I'm shooting is a Savage Striker (built on the usual Savage bolt action) so it can handle typical pressures like any other bolt action. Handling the gun's recoil and muzzle blast is not that big a challenge after some practice and using the right set up.






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Ahhhh ok. Only rifle/pistols I've shot were Thompson Contenders or my brother's S&W revolver in 460. That thing is pretty freakin sick for a 'handgun'.





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DownshiftAndFloorIt
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re: My bullet saved me from the worst shot I've made on a deer in 30 years yesterda


Well with a light hollow poiny bullet like that there's definitely goin to be a sweet spot with the velocity. Too fast will shred it and too slow makes some very shitty penetration.

Apparently the .25-06 was too fast for the extremely poorly constructed hornady sst.






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