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BFIV
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At least he might align himself with the right and obtain some protection by spilling the beans. Toe the line and he is a man without a home. Hard to attract a book deal with "white house talking points".



I see your point, but I also believe that he has been told that if he doesn't cooperate and say what he's been told to say, he will be "destroyed". Take it for whatever it's worth. Popular 4 star generals have died before in mysterious car accidents. And that previous sentence is not "just my opinion". It is a fact.






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Patrick_Bateman
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Regardless of which political party benefits from his testimony, I just hope he tells the truth (whatever that may be). The families of the victims deserve to know.


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accnodefense
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I see your point, but I also believe that he has been told that if he doesn't cooperate and say what he's been told to say, he will be "destroyed". Take it for whatever it's worth. Popular 4 star generals have died before in mysterious car accidents. And that previous sentence is not "just my opinion". It is a fact.


Let the Obama administration apologists have their day, who think they are an ethical and by the rules administration.

Let them think they don't employ Chicago/Daley/Mafia type tactics.






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BFIV
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Exactly, Rush said this same thing, Petraus is still going to go tow the line because if he doesn't, then all the dems and media will do is attack his credibility and say "Why should we believe you now?"

Also Rush said that the affair is probably the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the kind of dirt they have on him, so there is just no way that Petreaus can beat the Chicago Style politics here.


I was not aware that Rush had said this. Haven't heard Rush in several years. This is all just blackmail to protect those in power. Patraeus knows the whole story and he is probably one of the few people that could bring down this corrupt outfit, but...he left himself very vulnerable to blackmail and coercion by having this affair. His opponents have the winning hand and he knows it. He isn't about to "call" when he can see that he's already beaten by the cards on the table. Again,just my opinion.






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austingator
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Exactly what I've thought all along. This ain't family court we're talkin about here. Petraeus isn't about to sacrifice himself as a martyr when it won't make a difference to do so. This is a hard core outfit that's calling the shots. And right now, they're in office, they have the power, and they are not gonna be brought down by this. Patraeus is expendable and he knows it. Again, just my opinion.


A true military man just might. They think differently, although the political ones (generals) are politicians. This can go either way IMO.






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CarrolltonTiger
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I can't follow these conspiracy theories that involve Obama (and I really, really, dislike Obama).


First off how does a threat against Petraeus to conceal some knowledge that he possesses get stronger by public disclosure of the affair, the threat should be to disclose the affair.

Next, what is Paula Krantz' role? Was she an Obama agent sent in to seduce years ago a deep mole of Obama, becasue he knew this day would come?

Why did she act make this errupt causing greater problems for the administration? The only logic for her behavior is she was a crazy bitch (which seems somewhat unlikely in spite of her behavior) or she was intent on bringing down Petraeus for a governemtn that really doesn't give a tiney rats arse about Obama, and is pissed at Pretaeus for speaking the truth about our foreign policy in the ME.

What did Obama have to gain by this bizarre process, there would have been much cleaner and easier inducements/threats to infuence someone if that was the goal.






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20MuleTeam
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He's a four star general by definition he's incapable if telling the truth. FTA.





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Robin Masters
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20MuleTeam Patraeus Testimony (About to hit the Fan) He's a four star general by definition he's incapable if telling the truth. FTA.


You've been hurt before haven't you? A Generals limo run over your cat or something?






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Drew Orleans
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But but if his testimony is damning to rice and Obama we know he is lying. Afterall, if he lies to his wife he will lie to us.





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BFIV
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First off how does a threat against Petraeus to conceal some knowledge that he possesses get stronger by public disclosure of the affair, the threat should be to disclose the affair.


The disclosure of the affair opened the door for more coercive measures against Patraeus. It just gave the administration a tool to begin to apply pressure on Patraeus. With his indescretion, he simply gave his opponents a big rock to throw at him.

[quote]What did Obama have to gain by this bizarre process, there would have been much cleaner and easier inducements/threats to infuence someone if that was the goal.

Obama stands to gain suppression of the facts surrounding the lack of action by the United States which would have saved the lives of our ambassador and three other Americans. The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth will reveal who made the decision and issued the orders to "stand down". What seems "bizarre" to us common folks is SOP to those in power, or at least that's the way I feel about it.






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CarrolltonTiger
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The disclosure of the affair opened the door for more coercive measures against Patraeus.


No it didn't, he did what he did, the legal, penal, administrative ramifications reamain the same and disclosure eliminates the threat of disclosure.

And the role of the bitches remains inexplicable as a tool of the administration.

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or at least that's the way I feel about it.


Obvioulsy, y0ur emotions have taken over your reason.






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KT70
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Nothing will come of this.





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Robin Masters
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Nothing will come of this.


Most likely outcome.






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a want
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Rush said he is still going to tow the white house line


FYI it's 'toe the line'

And how does he know? It sounds like he's preparing for this NOT to be a scandal by claiming






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BFIV
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No it didn't, he did what he did, the legal, penal, administrative ramifications reamain the same and disclosure eliminates the threat of disclosure.


The affair itself was of no great consequence other than it gave the administration the opportunity to kick Patraeus out of his job. Those rules are there to prevent potentially jeopardizing national security by someone who is looking for some "strange". The Soviets employed this tactic for decades, and I'm willing to bet that we did, too. And I'm sure you know that as well as I do. For whatever reason, unknown to us at this time, perhaps, Patraeus may have been viewed as a potential "loose cannon" because of his knowledge of the timeline of events and orders concerning Lybia. The affair, no matter who disclosed it, opened the door for the administration to pursue further avenues of pressure and coercion to insure that one of the primetime players (Patraeus) kept his mouth shut. I agree that "the role of the bitches" remains inexplicable as a tool of the administration. I don't believe the women were government plants. They only became another tool of the administration to discredit and mitigate any potential testimony by Patraeus IF he didn't do what he was told.

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Obvioulsy, y0ur emotions have taken over your reason.


I beg to differ. I'm quite pragmatic about this whole thing. An Air Force Major told me a long time ago, "Son, $hit rolls down hill and gets deepest at the bottom. You and I both know who's on top and who's on the bottom." Same thing applies to Patraeus.






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BFIV
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Nothing will come of this.


Most likely outcome.



I agree.






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CarrolltonTiger
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The affair itself was of no great consequence other than it gave the administration the opportunity to kick Patraeus out of his job.


Why would they want to do that? And he serves at the pleasure of the President anyway.

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Patraeus may have been viewed as a potential "loose cannon"


That is why Obama puit him in the job?

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I agree that "the role of the bitches" remains inexplicable as a tool of the administration. I don't believe the women were government plants.



Makes your theory somewhat inexplicable doesn't it.







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buddhavista
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As much as I dislike CT, I have to agree with him here. Any leverage is lost when the affair becomes public knowledge.

And on top of that, what other dirt could they possibly have? If they have more dirt, then well obviously they are bigger misdeeds than having an affair. So, not only would he be a cheater, he would have other baggage?

I just don't buy it.






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Athanatos
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The only leverage that is possible would be any intelligence information Broadwell may have gleaned by having access to the general's e-mail accounts. Thus, by releasing this scandal to the public, you both discredit the general or at the very least tarnish his very solid reputation, while preserving the ability to conduct an investigation into what are essentially leaks of top secret files. The way the affair came to light, i.e., the e-mails written by Broadwell to the other woman from Petraeus's own account, makes a potential security breach quite plausible. At least, that seems to be the avenue with the greatest potential for blackmail or "coercive" tactics.


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BFIV
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The affair itself was of no great consequence other than it gave the administration the opportunity to kick Patraeus out of his job.



Why would they want to do that? And he serves at the pleasure of the President anyway.

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Patraeus may have been viewed as a potential "loose cannon"



That is why Obama puit him in the job?

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I agree that "the role of the bitches" remains inexplicable as a tool of the administration. I don't believe the women were government plants.




Makes your theory somewhat inexplicable doesn't it.







I give up. My posts were quite concise and clear. You are seeing the trees. I am seeing the forest. Apparently, the other readers understand what I said. Why can't you? We do share one sentiment, though. I don't like Obama, either, but we are in the minority, nationally speaking.






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