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ynlvr 
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| re: The kryptonite to obamacare (Posted on 11/16/12 at 7:52 am to RollTide4Ever)
We need an intelligent, economic solution to healthcare . . . . SOON! The Affordable Care Act will not move us in the direction of improved healthcare or realistic costs. Conversely, Medicare and government assisted payments have been a large component of runaway costs. Though I applaud efforts to expand coverage and I understand the desire to assist those in need, our chosen methods have resulted in negative and inflationary consequences. There are better solutions and we should not settle for what has been fed us.
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Patrick O Rly 
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| re: The kryptonite to obamacare (Posted on 11/16/12 at 7:55 am to tdt)
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So far the private healthcare industry has worked out great. Let's hear it for the free market everyone.
Health insurance does not operate in a free market. 
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Patrick O Rly
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| re: The kryptonite to obamacare (Posted on 11/16/12 at 7:57 am to a want)
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Why don't all hospitals do this? (The answer - it's less profitable to do so).
Those evil bastards. They should shoot for just breaking even, or even losing money.
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SlowFlowPro 
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| re: The kryptonite to obamacare (Posted on 11/16/12 at 7:57 am to a want)
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Here's the problem: Why don't all hospitals do this? (The answer - it's less profitable to do so).
well here is a big difference
hospitals are bound to accept insurance, medicare, medicaid AND provide ER services to anybody who walks through the ER. the last 3 are forced by government
hospitals have started to bilk insurance companies out of money to pay for medicare, medicaid, and wasteful ER services
hospitals don't have the "boutique" option that these small clinics do. everyone knows the hospital overcharges all over on insurance bills in order to pay for there government-mandated losses, but they can't pick and choose who they service, either.
also, this is a perfect example of how people being removed from the price point causes them to make wasteful choices. having insurance provided by employers also further incentivizes this. these boutiques offer CASH options for treatment, and they offer it up front. people (and their employers) know exactly what the costs are and can compare
boutique clinics like this SHOULD be the way healthcare is run (in coordination with high-deductible insurance plans), but if this were the norm it would be called "not fair" and discriminatory, EVEN WITH LOWER PRICES
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Interception
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| re: The kryptonite to obamacare (Posted on 11/16/12 at 7:57 am to Beau Tie)
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It appears as though they cover only people they know can pay. It looks as though they get paid in advance. The thing is that the company is helping the employee pay in the scenario given. Not all companies are like that. I'm all for this type of healthcare though. There is no reason why the hospitals should mark up the people who can pay because of other who can't. You really need to make $600 of of something that cost $1.75?
Yea, I think they explain why they have to charge those fees. It's to make up for those patients that they Reciever no reimbursement for.
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austingator 
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| re: The kryptonite to obamacare (Posted on 11/16/12 at 8:22 am to a want)
The OP just made my day.
Thanks so much for posting that link. I've been talking about this forever. I would bet my pants, that the cheap surgery center is owned by doctors. People keep barking at the wrong tree, meanwhile corrupt hospital systems make MILLIONS (many send them to the vatican sadly enough), with the excuse of providing indigent care. It is all a ruse. We see this here in Austin. They just stuck taxpayers with a bill to build a med school on the most corrupt system in town. All in the name of providing care to the needy. And this is the hospital that will not see people without means, more so than any other hospital in town.
The exploding health care costs are related to the cuts in medicare reimbursements to docs, coupled by continued INCREASES in payments from medicare to hospitals. This is all about CONTROLLING the providers.
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a want
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| re: The kryptonite to obamacare (Posted on 11/16/12 at 8:40 am to SlowFlowPro)
Oh, I agree with you. The lack of a true market in healthcare is the problem.
However, as a society we've decided that we are going to treat people regardless of their ability to pay. Our H.C. system needs a way to handle/account for this.
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McLemore
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| re: The kryptonite to obamacare (Posted on 11/16/12 at 8:41 am to tdt)
Someone didn't watch the video.
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Robin Masters 
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| re: The kryptonite to obamacare (Posted on 11/16/12 at 8:43 am to a want)
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However, as a society we've decided that we are going to treat people regardless of their ability to pay. Our H.C. system needs a way to handle/account for this.
And then, as they often do, Dems hijacked this notion for political advantage. It's ironic that the party which sells itself as the party of "the people", thinks so little of "the people" that they feel the need to force them into charity.
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N.O. via West-Cal
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| re: The kryptonite to obamacare (Posted on 11/16/12 at 9:13 am to KosmoCramer)
"So Integris basically said they are charging people more money, to pay for those that can't pay."
That is all "free" ever means.
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BoobieWatcher
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| re: The kryptonite to obamacare (Posted on 11/16/12 at 9:14 am to a want)
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Why don't all hospitals do this? (The answer - it's less profitable to do so).
I am pretty sure if they only cover people who will pay then they are less risky. They know they will all get paid and won't be waiting for payment or reduce the amount the are owed.
Why people pay for these markups is beyond me. I think we should just make everybody who can't afford care, they should go to charity hospitals.
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texastigerr
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| re: The kryptonite to obamacare (Posted on 11/16/12 at 10:31 am to KosmoCramer)
Notice Integris said to provide "ACCESS" to healthcare. Biden says in so many words that because of Obama (and wasn't that scripted as if anything ever was)all Americans now have access to healthcare. "ACCESS" is not the same as "uninsured" The point is that we have had an insurance issue, not an access issue.
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texastigerr
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| re: The kryptonite to obamacare (Posted on 11/16/12 at 10:33 am to Cold Pizza)
So your saying that women, minorities, children are freeloaders. Got it. I'm sure women and minorities will be glad to know that's how YOU see them.
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texastigerr
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| re: The kryptonite to obamacare (Posted on 11/16/12 at 10:41 am to austingator)
This goes to the heart of the "you will be able to keep your own doctor"
YOU WONT'!!! Because your doctor will no longer be there. And your doctor will not be able to treat the patient the best way they believe is necessary because by controlling what the doctor can get paid for meaning what treatments he can get paid for, Obamacare or the 15 member committee as they call it is determining and controlling the treatment of who can get what treatment and who can't.
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austingator
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| re: The kryptonite to obamacare (Posted on 11/16/12 at 10:42 am to texastigerr)
Integris is full of chit. Those hospitals that overmark to "provide access" get MILLIONS from the federal government. MILLIONS. So it is a double whammy they get, the over price to nail those with insurance, and they get subsidized by the government. And they are making record profits. And guvmint keeps increasing their medicare reimbursements, and decreasing doctor pay. It is all a ruse, to make doctors employees.
But all docs are not idiots. They are building hospitals, such as the one in Oklahoma. And eventually there is going to be a two tier system. Docs do their charity cases at Integra, and their plan cases at their place. Win, win.
Until Obama/guvmint figures it out, and makes up a way to make this illegal. You know how can you have docs owning hospitals, without paying all those administrators fees? Not fair, Then we are all fkd. Is coming get ready.
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