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FightinTiger 
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| re: At what point in history did Democrats and Republicans switch sides? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 3:55 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!)
They were to be sent to Liberia. Lincoln liked this idea a lot.
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RollTide1987 
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| re: At what point in history did Democrats and Republicans switch sides? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 3:55 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!)
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Hoe exactly would this have been accomplished?
Sailing ships? They eventually dropped the plan due to the fact that it wasn't really feasible or cost effective.
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Wolfhound45 
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| re: At what point in history did Democrats and Republicans switch sides? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 3:55 pm to notslim99)
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People switched sides, not parties. The southern whites didn't like the Republican stance on salvery, so they moved to the Democrat party.
Uhm, no.
You really need to do some reading. The Democratic Party preceded the Republican Party by over fifty years. The Republican Party ran their first presidential nominee in 1856. Their second nominee, President Lincoln, was in 1860.
Do a little research on the Whig Party, radicalism and abolitionism. You will find where the Republican Party came from.
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Zach
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| re: At what point in history did Democrats and Republicans switch sides? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 4:04 pm to FightinTiger)
The 1960s. Everything happened in the 60s. The pill, women's lib, the sexual revolution, drugs are great, war in Vietnam, black power, welfare, etc. Everything happened in a very short period of time. Like 2 years. Great music. Still have some on my ipod.
can still bench 185 to this song
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Baloo
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| re: At what point in history did Democrats and Republicans switch sides? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 4:06 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!)
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Hoe exactly would this have been accomplished?
Liberia. It was a policy disaster. But it was the middle ground position short of abolitionism. But the Republicans were founded on the principle of anti-slavery (though not equality, though the Civil War likely changed a lot of their minds).
But the GOP was pro-business. And that meant large government investment. And new institutions like the bank and one regulated currency instead of scrip and the gold standard. The Democrats were the party of "states rights". So they have flipped on that issue, pretty much once Truman started rejecting a state's right to discriminate, but the transition wasn't really complete until LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act.
Also, a weak central government now helps large corporations, so the pro-business GOP flipped on that issue. Once the big government set up these institutions business needed, business immediately advocated for smaller government to not aid Labor.
This is in, admittedly, incredibly broad strokes.
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Rolltide10
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| re: At what point in history did Democrats and Republicans switch sides? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 4:37 pm to Zach)
I'm not sure but wasn't George Wallace a Democrat?
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vegas-tiger
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| re: At what point in history did Democrats and Republicans switch sides? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 5:17 pm to Rolltide10)
Republicans (Lincoln) started the income tax.
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wm72
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| re: At what point in history did Democrats and Republicans switch sides? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 5:27 pm to Rolltide10)
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I'm not sure but wasn't George Wallace a Democrat?
He had a pretty back and forth relationship with the Democratic party mainly due to civil rights.
From what I recall, he left the party to run for president as a third party candidate in 1968.
He came back as Democrat in the early 70s and of course would later famously issue a public apology for his stance on segregation in the 60s saying he didn't want to meet his maker unforgiven.
This post was edited on 11/13 at 5:28 pm
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araminta
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| re: At what point in history did Democrats and Republicans switch sides? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 6:12 pm to FightinTiger)
the transition wasn't really complete until LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act.
Gosh, so harsh. I was going to say the switch took place when JFK took a bullet to the head.
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Bayou Sam
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| re: At what point in history did Democrats and Republicans switch sides? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 6:20 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!)
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opposition to slavery was mainly rooted in a fear of slavery replacing capitalism, not a genuine concern of the slave
Slaves were capital. To the extent that you're right, some opposition to slavery was rooted in worries over free labor, analogous to contemporary worries about illegal immigrants competing with citizens for jobs.
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Bayou Sam
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| re: At what point in history did Democrats and Republicans switch sides? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 6:25 pm to FightinTiger)
To the point of the op, it depends on what ideological switch you're talking about.
Originally, federalists were "conservatives," in the sense that they didn't like the french and were aligned with English toryism. This is confusing because their policies were mercantilist, more or less, and hence "capitalist".
The democratic-republican party was liberal in the sense that it was aligned with English whigs and some more radical enlightenment figures. But this is confusing because their policies looked more like libertarianism in some ways / slave-holding agrarian.
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Wolfhound45
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| re: At what point in history did Democrats and Republicans switch sides? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 6:27 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!)
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In fact, opposition to slavery was mainly rooted in a fear of slavery replacing capitalism, not a genuine concern of the slave.
Not entirely true. Not entirely false.
There was a genuine sentiment that slavery was inherently evil. The greatest challenge was what to do with the slaves. If they were freed, then what would their status be? Few individuals of the time period viewed them as equals to the white race. Hence the Liberia solution (yes, that was actually considered).
Read "Team of Rivals" to get an excellent sense of how divisive the issue of slavery was. It was not purely economics.
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Interception
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| re: At what point in history did Democrats and Republicans switch sides? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 7:00 pm to FightinTiger)
This is probably one of the more enlightening topics. There is a lot of questions I have about the when and why some Democrats began associating with the Republican Party?
The Republicans supported the Voter Act of 1964
In large measure southern white Democrats voted against the measure. They supported Goldwater in '64.
Southern Seperationist could no longer support the Democratic Party? Does that make sense? Was it because blacks were still aligned with the Democrats?
This what I found:
32% of Blacks went to Nixon in '60
36% of Blacks went to Nixon in '68
18% of Blacks went to Nixon in '72
This post was edited on 11/13 at 7:02 pm
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junkfunky
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| re: At what point in history did Democrats and Republicans switch sides? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 7:06 pm to FightinTiger)
I don't remember the specific date but it was a Monday.
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BigJim
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| re: At what point in history did Democrats and Republicans switch sides? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 7:57 pm to junkfunky)
1964
Seriously. This is when it started.
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Wolfhound45
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| re: At what point in history did Democrats and Republicans switch sides? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 8:22 pm to junkfunky)
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I don't remember the specific date but it was a Monday.
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CajunZ81
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| re: At what point in history did Democrats and Republicans switch sides? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 9:00 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!)
LINK
Here's a great explanation. Title of the video is not in conjunction with this topic but the context is dead on.
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Roaad
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| re: At what point in history did Democrats and Republicans switch sides? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 9:08 pm to FightinTiger)
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Democrats began as the party of conservatives. Republicans were the liberals. When did they switch?
Republicans have always been the pro-business, and the dems have always been pro-farmer.
As the agricultural voting block dwindled after the industrial revolution, Dems sought out a new group to play their class card with. . .blacks and women.
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HailHailtoMichigan! 
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| re: At what point in history did Democrats and Republicans switch sides? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 9:32 pm to Roaad)
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As the agricultural voting block dwindled after the industrial revolution, Dems sought out a new group to play their class card with. . .blacks and women.
The agricultural voting block became the industrial workers block.
The dems now represent them, too.
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Methuselah
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| re: At what point in history did Democrats and Republicans switch sides? (Posted on 11/13/12 at 10:15 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!)
Supposedly, when LBJ pushed through the civil rights legislation, he made a remark along the lines of "I've lost the south for the next xx years" or something along those lines. Pretty prophetic I think.
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