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Darth_Vader 
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| re: southern states and secession (Posted on 11/13/12 at 12:10 pm to buddhavista)
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No, it would be a weak arse country that would end up begging the rest of the states for help in short order. There might be rich natural resources in those states but the growth industries of the US are not located in the red states. Technology and bio-med are stronger in the blue states. On top of that, you would see a science brain drain. Scientists are more often democrats than republicans, and they would flee. On top of that, the truly elite universities are in blue states. There are some good schools in the south, but its only a handful. succession is the worst possible idea I have seen floated. I am up for the US breaking into pieces but the south succeeding isn't the right first step. Much better to have a coordinated break up.
energy is the real future growth industry. All those high tech wonders are worthless without juice to power them. and you can build all the solar panels and wind farms you want but it won't keep the lights on. For that you need natural gas, oil, coal and nuclear power. The south has plenty of these and more.
As for a brain drain, opening up the full potential of the industrial might of the South would draw in engineers and businessmen by the droves. sure we'd love the political science majors along with other useless people. But in return we will see an influx of highly skilled technical types looking to make a good living.
As I stated above, remove the EPA.the massive welfare state and regulations dictated from Washington and the South will finally be able to unleash it's full potential.
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Layabout 
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| re: southern states and secession (Posted on 11/13/12 at 12:13 pm to GREENHEAD22)
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Go read the Constitution and the words of our founding farthers.
I think you mean the Declaration of Independence.
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RollTide1987 
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| re: southern states and secession (Posted on 11/13/12 at 12:16 pm to GREENHEAD22)
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Go read the Constitution and the words of our founding farthers.
Someone you don't like won an election. That is hardly a cause for revolution.
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Hogules68 
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| re: southern states and secession (Posted on 11/13/12 at 12:18 pm to GREENHEAD22)
the southern states that recieve more federal aide, would end most of the programs that recieve the aide ergo we would not need federal money
Oklahoma -oil,ranching
Texas-oil and ports,medicine,technology.airports
Arkansas- agri,nuclear power,refineries,banking
La- Oil ,refineries, Port,agri
Ala- timber,port,cotton
Miss- same
Ga - timber,communications,airport
yeah we will be just fine without having to finance a bunch of federal mandates thats where the fed money is used
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bayou2003 
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| re: southern states and secession (Posted on 11/13/12 at 12:20 pm to Hogules68)
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Oklahoma -oil,ranching
I go to Oklahoma everyday. Those Native Americans will laugh at you. They actually like Obama, I know some tribal members that personally met with him. They respect the guy. Leave OK out of that talk.  
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GREENHEAD22 
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| re: southern states and secession (Posted on 11/13/12 at 12:21 pm to RollTide1987)
It has a lot more to do with than just the election. And again, its hypothetical.
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buddhavista
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| re: southern states and secession (Posted on 11/13/12 at 12:25 pm to Darth_Vader)
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energy is the real future growth industry.
No its not. Where do you get this shit? I am not anti energy, but energy is like roads, they are an economic enabler but they don't produce real growth. Real growth is produced by either
a) producing something new
b) producing something faster/better/cheaper
c) eliminating inefficiency.
Where exactly does the south get something new, faster/better/cheaper or eliminating inefficiency by energy? They don't. Oh, and growth in this sector would produce lower prices, which would benefit everyone in the world. And might even hur thte south. You have to be young not to remember the boom/bust cycle of oil. The busts fricking suck, having lived through two of them.
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All those high tech wonders are worthless without juice to power them. and you can build all the solar panels and wind farms you want but it won't keep the lights on.
renewables are the future. These will not be developed in the south.
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As for a brain drain, opening up the full potential of the industrial might of the South would draw in engineers and businessmen by the droves.
I doubt businessmen would leave, and some might even move there with the promise of lower taxes and engineers could be a wash.
But teaching creationism in the schools, and alienating scientists will backfire quickly.
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sure we'd love the political science majors along with other useless people.
Well they have college degrees, what you wouldn't lose is the poor people. And the south has those in droves. They would stick around, mainly b.c they are too poor to move.
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As I stated above, remove the EPA
Won't really do shit, maybe on the edges but nothing much.
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.the massive welfare state
So, you will get rid of social security and medicare? Those are the big drains. I am sure your grandma will love you for this. SNAP, TANF and public housing account for $~125b in budget. This won't do shite to save the south.
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finally be able to unleash it's full potential.
yeah, right.
you are clearly delusional. A) secession is not going to happen. B) the south, if it did leave would be a back water cesspool.
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RollTide1987
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| re: southern states and secession (Posted on 11/13/12 at 12:25 pm to GREENHEAD22)
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It has a lot more to do with than just the election. And again, its hypothetical.
And your hypothetical would end up ending the lives of millions of Americans. There is no such thing as peaceful secession. The South is too valuable to the country to be let go without a fight. Do you think the United States would let the Gulf of Mexico and all of its oil to leave peacefully? Do you think the United States would allow the states of the Great Plains to leave with their farming, oil, and other uses?
It's not even good to talk about hypothetical secession because to some of these people, including ones on this board, it's not a hypothetical - it's a viable option. Such talk is dangerous, I don't care how loose it is or how "not serious" it is.
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| re: southern states and secession (Posted on 11/13/12 at 12:28 pm to Hogules68)
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southern states
Secession. It not just for the South anymore.
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Catman88
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| re: southern states and secession (Posted on 11/13/12 at 12:36 pm to RollTide1987)
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Someone you don't like won an election. That is hardly a cause for revolution.
Im not for secession but the case for taxation without representation could hold true for washington today and was reason enought before.
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buddhavista
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| re: southern states and secession (Posted on 11/13/12 at 12:37 pm to Catman88)
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Im not for secession but the case for taxation without representation could hold true for washington today and was reason enought before.
you have representation though. In fact, the HoR is controlled by the republicans.
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| re: southern states and secession (Posted on 11/13/12 at 12:38 pm to Hogules68)
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Catman88
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| re: southern states and secession (Posted on 11/13/12 at 12:40 pm to buddhavista)
Do you think they really represent anyone but themselves and party?
Thats what I mean.
Party control has replaced state representation.
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RollTide1987
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| re: southern states and secession (Posted on 11/13/12 at 12:40 pm to Catman88)
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Im not for secession but the case for taxation without representation could hold true for washington today and was reason enought before.
Dude...we ELECT the House and the Senate so you can't give me some bull shite excuse like "taxation without representation." If you don't feel like you're being properly represented you have no one to blame but yourself.
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Darth_Vader
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| re: southern states and secession (Posted on 11/13/12 at 12:41 pm to buddhavista)
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buddhavista
I'm not going to quote your entire incoherent drivel of liberal logic but once again will point out that energy is the foundation that all the "high tech" crap has to have to be anything more than paper weights. "Renewables are the future" has been a favorite tag line of the left for decades and like all other lefty pipe dreams it's not amounted to jack shite.
As for the rest of your post, it's clear to me you've not spent enough time in the real business world to understand shite about what moves business and what holds it back. Go back to your classroom and get some more drivel spoon fed to you by some tweed wearing dickhole who himself has probably never spent a day in the business world either. That's the problem with the education system in the US today, especially at the college level. It's the blind leading the blind.
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Catman88
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| re: southern states and secession (Posted on 11/13/12 at 12:43 pm to RollTide1987)
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Dude...we ELECT the House and the Senate so you can't give me some bull shite excuse like "taxation without representation." If you don't feel like you're being properly represented you have no one to blame but yourself
Didnt know I had the power to change Congress with my one vote.
This country isnt about states anymore. Anyone can see that. There are basically only 2 states those that are republican and those that are democrat as far as the federal government is concerned. State rights have long been gone.
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Darth_Vader
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| re: southern states and secession (Posted on 11/13/12 at 12:43 pm to RollTide1987)
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Dude...we ELECT the House and the Senate
That's another pet peeve of mine,. The Senate was never intended to be elected by popular vote of the people. The senate does not represent the people. It represents the States. 
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buddhavista
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| re: southern states and secession (Posted on 11/13/12 at 12:44 pm to Catman88)
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Do you think they really represent anyone but themselves and party?
well congress is corrupt but that goes back a few hundred years.
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As for the rest of your post, it's clear to me you've not spent enough time in the real business world to understand shite about what moves business and what holds it back.
you know nothing about me, but its clear your arse is sore. Its ok, you will get over it.
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Purpleye
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| re: southern states and secession (Posted on 11/13/12 at 12:44 pm to crawdaddy52)
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"Crackerstans"
This is racist and you should be banned
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RollTide1987
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| re: southern states and secession (Posted on 11/13/12 at 12:45 pm to Darth_Vader)
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The Senate was never intended to be elected by popular vote of the people. The senate does not represent the people. It represents the States.
I actually agree with you on this. I wouldn't mind a repeal of the 17th Amendment.
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