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re: SHORT THE DOLLAR
Posted on 11/7/12 at 7:00 am to TheHiddenFlask
Posted on 11/7/12 at 7:00 am to TheHiddenFlask
No not LSU. So let's look at the major currencies. First, the euro- short term due to Greece this will likely stay flat. In particular the long-term view that the dollar is the relative safe haven of the two will keep the pair in its current range.
Looking at the USD-JPY you have financial stability in Japan, assuming no other national disasters. There is not a significant amount of difference in rates to merit a risk and investment in the dollar.
We can go through more if you want. When rates are artificially low because the government is the primary buyer of notes. This easy monetary policy will continue for the foreseeable future causing an escalation of national debt. Eventually, and as you can see in my original post I didn't say the dollar would crash today, but it will when debt as a percent of GDP doesn't normalize. The debt growing is assumed but the only way to prevent this is to grow your way out. With the election I see no reason to believe growth will exist in a significant way to have this moderate.
And no I would like your rationale.
Looking at the USD-JPY you have financial stability in Japan, assuming no other national disasters. There is not a significant amount of difference in rates to merit a risk and investment in the dollar.
We can go through more if you want. When rates are artificially low because the government is the primary buyer of notes. This easy monetary policy will continue for the foreseeable future causing an escalation of national debt. Eventually, and as you can see in my original post I didn't say the dollar would crash today, but it will when debt as a percent of GDP doesn't normalize. The debt growing is assumed but the only way to prevent this is to grow your way out. With the election I see no reason to believe growth will exist in a significant way to have this moderate.
And no I would like your rationale.
Posted on 11/7/12 at 7:25 am to CaptainJ47
Thank you. I disagree with you and I will address that later, but making a well thought out post with a good basis is something everyone should strive to do on this board.
1) Euro - Europe is more socialist and more debt burdened than the US. To validate your argument for the dollar devaluing because of debt and socialism you're going to have to explain how the US is different/worse than Europe in that aspect.
2) JPY - You think there is financial strength in Japan with 2x GDP debt burdens, but you are worried about US debt burdens devaluing the dollar?
I think you forgot the end of that sentence.
How is this a monetary issue and not a fiscal issue?
Didn't read this until after I already typed everything. I'm posting it anyway. Have fun wallowing in your own ignorance and self perceived intelligence.
FTR, I'm very conservative and am very disappointed with the election results.
1) Euro - Europe is more socialist and more debt burdened than the US. To validate your argument for the dollar devaluing because of debt and socialism you're going to have to explain how the US is different/worse than Europe in that aspect.
2) JPY - You think there is financial strength in Japan with 2x GDP debt burdens, but you are worried about US debt burdens devaluing the dollar?
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When rates are artificially low because the government is the primary buyer of notes.
I think you forgot the end of that sentence.
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This easy monetary policy will continue for the foreseeable future causing an escalation of national debt.
How is this a monetary issue and not a fiscal issue?
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And no I would like your rationale.
Didn't read this until after I already typed everything. I'm posting it anyway. Have fun wallowing in your own ignorance and self perceived intelligence.
FTR, I'm very conservative and am very disappointed with the election results.
Posted on 11/7/12 at 9:40 am to CaptainJ47
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No not LSU. So let's look at the major currencies. First, the euro- short term due to Greece this will likely stay flat. In particular the long-term view that the dollar is the relative safe haven of the two will keep the pair in its current range.
Looking at the USD-JPY you have financial stability in Japan, assuming no other national disasters. There is not a significant amount of difference in rates to merit a risk and investment in the dollar.
We can go through more if you want. When rates are artificially low because the government is the primary buyer of notes. This easy monetary policy will continue for the foreseeable future causing an escalation of national debt. Eventually, and as you can see in my original post I didn't say the dollar would crash today, but it will when debt as a percent of GDP doesn't normalize. The debt growing is assumed but the only way to prevent this is to grow your way out. With the election I see no reason to believe growth will exist in a significant way to have this moderate.
And no I would like your rationale.
This post was edited on 11/7/12 at 7:34 pm
Posted on 11/7/12 at 4:00 pm to CaptainJ47
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First, the euro- short term due to Greece this will likely stay flat. In particular the long-term view that the dollar is the relative safe haven of the two will keep the pair in its current range.
If the dollar is the relative safe haven compared to the euro than it will appreciate, I'm not sure what you're getting at with Greece. This is the thing about Greece that people need to understand, the EU actually doesn't care about Greece that much. The holes in the ESM and EFSF can be plugged quickly if Greece were to default in an unorderly fashion, and the ECB has several programs that could fund the non-Greek banks that hold GGBs and Hellenic bank debt. The reason that the onus has been on Greece was for precedent of actions going forward rather than for news itself.
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When rates are artificially low because the government is the primary buyer of notes. This easy monetary policy will continue for the foreseeable future causing an escalation of national debt.
The Fed monetizing the debt does not cause an escaltion of national debt, you're calling the cause the effect and vice versa. In academia lower interest rates would signal a depreciation of the currency but this isn't an ivory tower. I watch correlations and relationships taught in school break every single day, and mean reversion must be based on like time periods rather than based on all available data.
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Eventually, and as you can see in my original post I didn't say the dollar would crash today, but it will when debt as a percent of GDP doesn't normalize.
Like was said before, it really doesn't matter if D/GDP normalizes or not, it just depends on the relative ratios around the world.
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The debt growing is assumed but the only way to prevent this is to grow your way out.
There are several ways to correct unsustainable debt: inflation, default, restructuring (whether negotiated or forced), or war. All of these are more likely than us growing out of our debt. People need to get used to developed countries having "unsustainable" levels of debt for the future. We either have to take an austerity hit with decreasing relative standards of living (which will happen regardless of austerity) or continue to be better than the other developed countries with unsustainable levels of debt, which we are doing so far.
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With the election I see no reason to believe growth will exist in a significant way to have this moderate.
I agree with this.
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