Strong statement, bro. There are quite a few knowledgeable members here who have given solid advice. I was the one who mentioned a full sized revolver and others mentioned a 12 gauge.

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Sorry Downshift, a handgun is a excellent fighting weapon.

He's saying that in terms of ballistics, the mythical "knockdown power" does not exist with handguns. You can take a 12 gauge and blow someone's organs out of their arse. The same will not happen with a 9mm, 40, or 45. Granted, a pistol is a very compact weapon, that is its only advantage.

Comparing a handgun to a shotgun, you get more rounds with a handgun, so there it has the edge. But the muzzle energy is far superior for the shotgun, and the shot pattern will be larger than any handgun round (not saying you can shoot from the hip, but the pattern will be larger nonetheless). Also, having a weapon on your shoulder is much easier to control than one in your trembling hands.

Compared to a battle rifle (not "assault" rifle), the rifle can hold more rounds, it's easier to reload, and the rounds are much more effective at causing organ damage. It isn't as compact as a pistol, and that is the one advantage it has over a battle rifle. The rifle is also shoulder mounted so it holds that advantage there.

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Unlike a revolver, if there is no bang there is the added step of pressing the slide release and then pumping to eject the bad shell.

Wrong. If the firing pin drops, there is no need to push the release when you actuate the pump. It will be pushed for you. All you have to do is pump. I'm not arguing that it is less simple than a revolver, but the added step you mention is null and void.

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A shotgun is a horrible fighting weapon after 100 yards, probably even over 50

When will you make a shot over 20 feet in your own home? Unless you live in a mansion, a 12 gauge is ideal. Refer back to what you are suggesting to the OP... This is a HOME defense weapon, not a weapon he's gonna take to Iraq.

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Posted by Propagandalf

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Posted on 10/15/12 at 2:26 pm to bapple

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Strong statement, bro. There are quite a few knowledgeable members here who have given solid advice. I was the one who mentioned a full sized revolver and others mentioned a 12 gauge.

That was a sarcastic comment. I know there are people here who are actually knowledgeable.

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He's saying that in terms of ballistics, the mythical "knockdown power" does not exist with handguns. You can take a 12 gauge and blow someone's organs out of their arse. The same will not happen with a 9mm, 40, or 45. Granted, a pistol is a very compact weapon, that is its only advantage.

Comparing a handgun to a shotgun, you get more rounds with a handgun, so there it has the edge. But the muzzle energy is far superior for the shotgun, and the shot pattern will be larger than any handgun round (not saying you can shoot from the hip, but the pattern will be larger nonetheless). Also, having a weapon on your shoulder is much easier to control than one in your trembling hands.

Compared to a battle rifle (not "assault" rifle), the rifle can hold more rounds, it's easier to reload, and the rounds are much more effective at causing organ damage. It isn't as compact as a pistol, and that is the one advantage it has over a battle rifle. The rifle is also shoulder mounted so it holds that advantage there.

My argument was not that a shotgun is a bad home defense weapon. My argument was that each weapon has its niche, and within it's niche a pistol is a great fighting weapon. You are comparing apples to oranges with a pistol vs. a shotgun. You are claiming that the spread and initial energy from a shotgun is the kicker for making it a better choice than a pistol. However, what about a situation where sending an 8"-10" spread downrange is not ideal. Such as intruder holding a loved one as a body shield. Precision of the pistol wins out there. Why you even brought a battle rifle (which would be chambered in .308 or similarly way-too-fricking-large-for-home-defense- caliber I do not understand. Again apples to oranges.

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Wrong. If the firing pin drops, there is no need to push the release when you actuate the pump. It will be pushed for you. All you have to do is pump. I'm not arguing that it is less simple than a revolver, but the added step you mention is null and void.

You are correct.

Sorry if I have offended you love for the smooth bore, but I was not advising against a shotgun or saying it was a poor choice for home defense. I was simply saying i would get the revolver if the OP is looking for a pistol as a home defense option. Afterall the thread was title Help!! HANDGUN Question.

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