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LSUMJ 
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| re: Can you punt out of a non punt formation? (Posted on 10/9/12 at 9:14 am to Waffle House)
"By the way, Cunningham was a two-time All-American punter(with a career average of 45.6 yards per kick - still a UNLV record)
had a 91 yard punt playing for philly
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VernonPLSUfan
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| re: Can you punt out of a non punt formation? (Posted on 10/9/12 at 9:20 am to TulaneUVA)
You can do that on any down
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Keltic Tiger
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| re: Can you punt out of a non punt formation? (Posted on 10/9/12 at 9:56 am to JDM1992)
Somewhat related question. In the current Sports Illustrated, there is an article on a current NFL ref, drawing a blank on his name, but he said that there is no rule on pass interference when a team is punting, presumably the punter making the pass. But added that he has never seen it happen, either. Why wouldn't there be interference if a DB tackles a WR or RB out in the flat as the ball is in the air?
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TulaneUVA 
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| re: Can you punt out of a non punt formation? (Posted on 10/9/12 at 10:19 am to Zamoro10)
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45 punts in the game.
Michigan won 9-6 with just 27 yards of total offense (all rushing) and zero first downs in the entire game.
Very interesting
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Zach
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| re: Can you punt out of a non punt formation? (Posted on 10/9/12 at 10:48 am to arrakis)
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You are thinking about the NFL....in college everyone can go downfield at the snap.
Here's a variation. Suppose it's 4th and 20. The punter gets the snap and sees an opening to run for the first down. He crosses the LOS and then sees a tackler appear. He decides to punt. Is that legal?
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arrakis
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| re: Can you punt out of a non punt formation? (Posted on 10/9/12 at 11:12 am to Zach)
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Here's a variation. Suppose it's 4th and 20. The punter gets the snap and sees an opening to run for the first down. He crosses the LOS and then sees a tackler appear. He decides to punt. Is that legal?
That makes it an Illegal Kick...which is one of the rare fouls that cause the ball to become dead immediately. The penalty is 5 yds from the previous spot and LOD.
Couple of add'l points:
1. His ENTIRE body must be beyond the LOS when he kicks the ball for it to be a foul
2. If, at any time, he carries the ball beyond the LOS, it's an illegal kick. IOW, he can't run a couple of yards beyond and then retreat behind the LOS and kick the ball.
The LOS is paramount on a kick play. If the kick is blocked or goes straight up and never crosses the LOS, the kicking team can pick it up and run, throw a pass, or even kick it again.
This post was edited on 10/9 at 11:17 am
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Zamoro10
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| re: Can you punt out of a non punt formation? (Posted on 10/9/12 at 11:21 am to Keltic Tiger)
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In the current Sports Illustrated, there is an article on a current NFL ref, drawing a blank on his name, but he said that there is no rule on pass interference when a team is punting, presumably the punter making the pass. But added that he has never seen it happen, either. Why wouldn't there be interference if a DB tackles a WR or RB out in the flat as the ball is in the air?
When a team lines up in punt formation, it does not have to punt the ball. The punter can run with the ball or pass the ball from the punt formation. However, outside receivers are not given protection from pass interference on a pass from punt formation. For example, the outside gunner may sprint downfield and the punter can throw the ball to him. However, a defender can hit that player as he is sprinting downfield because the opponent is under the impression that he is a tackler who is trying to make a play against a punt return. The rationale behind the rule is that the defensive team does not have to afford the gunner room to run without being hit and may attempt to prevent him from getting downfield.
The rule reads:
“Whenever a team presents an apparent punting formation, defensive pass interference is not to be called for action on the end man on the line of scrimmage.”
Otherwise, any time you lobbed a pass to a gunner, it would be pass interference as they are always fighting with the coverage team.
That does not mean it can't be called against other players who are not designated gunners.
This post was edited on 10/9 at 11:22 am
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motorbreath 
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| re: Can you punt out of a non punt formation? (Posted on 10/9/12 at 11:25 am to Zamoro10)
I've been watching football for 25 years and I've never seen this happen. And I watch a lot of football.
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wildtigercat93
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| re: Can you punt out of a non punt formation? (Posted on 10/9/12 at 11:27 am to motorbreath)
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I've been watching football for 25 years and I've never seen this happen. And I watch a lot of football.
Apparently not enough. This shite seems to happen 3-4 times a year
Did you see the Patriots Broncos playoff game last year?
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TulaneUVA
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| re: Can you punt out of a non punt formation? (Posted on 10/9/12 at 1:12 pm to Zamoro10)
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When a team lines up in punt formation, it does not have to punt the ball. The punter can run with the ball or pass the ball from the punt formation. However, outside receivers are not given protection from pass interference on a pass from punt formation. For example, the outside gunner may sprint downfield and the punter can throw the ball to him. However, a defender can hit that player as he is sprinting downfield because the opponent is under the impression that he is a tackler who is trying to make a play against a punt return. The rationale behind the rule is that the defensive team does not have to afford the gunner room to run without being hit and may attempt to prevent him from getting downfield.
The rule reads:
“Whenever a team presents an apparent punting formation, defensive pass interference is not to be called for action on the end man on the line of scrimmage.”
Otherwise, any time you lobbed a pass to a gunner, it would be pass interference as they are always fighting with the coverage team.
That does not mean it can't be called against other players who are not designated gunners.
This post was edited on 10/9 at 11:22 am
Learn something new everyday
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BayouBengals03 
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| re: Can you punt out of a non punt formation? (Posted on 10/9/12 at 1:15 pm to TulaneUVA)
McCoy used to do it all the time.
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Papa Tigah
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| re: Can you punt out of a non punt formation? (Posted on 10/9/12 at 1:33 pm to TulaneUVA)
Yes, Danny White did it for the Cowboys all the time.
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Newbomb Turk 
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| re: Can you punt out of a non punt formation? (Posted on 10/9/12 at 2:27 pm to TulaneUVA)
Not only can you, I remember the Scellphone Brothers punting on 3rd down a few times out of a shotgun formation.
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tokenBoiler 
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| re: Can you punt out of a non punt formation? (Posted on 10/9/12 at 3:30 pm to genro)
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You can be real sly about it. On 3rd and extremely long, teams have done a surprise quick kick with the qb. Catch them completely off guard and save field position because no return. It's not unheard of.
You also can get an amazing roll out of it. I've got no stats, but it seems like it used to be more common than now.
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wildtigercat93
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| re: Can you punt out of a non punt formation? (Posted on 10/9/12 at 3:34 pm to tokenBoiler)
Its not just done on 3rd down
Teams love to do this on 4th and short frommidfield or closer. They can send it a regualr play in order to ensure the defense doesnt sell out for it and then boot it away
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