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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS

Posted on 5/6/13 at 4:51 pm to
Posted by Ash Williams
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Posted on 5/6/13 at 4:51 pm to
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So does that mean since Ice was the Stark weapon that they are descended from AA?



i've been thinking this could be a possibility

if AA once stood up to the Others, then its likely that AA was one of the First Men since the First Men and the CotF fought the Others together

If AA was one of the first men, its possible that a Stark was AA, but was only called AA by the followers of R'hllor

but i dont think Valryian steel was in Westeros at the time of that war, so its probably not ICe

but i still think AA was one of the old Starks
Posted by 19
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Posted on 5/6/13 at 5:14 pm to
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if AA once stood up to the Others, then its likely that AA was one of the First Men since the First Men and the CotF fought the Others together


Gi'me some sugar, baby!

So obvious, now that you've pointed it out. I never made the connection myself.

I wasn't thinking Stark at all, with the re-combined Ice thing-
I was thinking Ice was the first "failed" incarnation of LB, Oath and Widow being the second. There must be three attempts.
Well done.
Posted by deSandman
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 5/6/13 at 6:00 pm to
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if AA once stood up to the Others, then its likely that AA was one of the First Men since the First Men and the CotF fought the Others together

If AA was one of the first men, its possible that a Stark was AA, but was only called AA by the followers of R'hllor

but i dont think Valryian steel was in Westeros at the time of that war, so its probably not ICe

but i still think AA was one of the old Starks


If AA the same as the Last Hero (and I think he is), then that provides more support for your theory. Plus Samwell finds an old account of the Last Hero slaying others with "Dragonsteel," which may be the same as Valyrian.

I don't know why the Last Hero seems to be discussed less than other stories and prophesies, but I just finished a re-read of all of the books and think it could be pretty important. Especially since Martin left the story unfinished, and all we know about the ending (from Bran later on when finding out that Benjen was missing) is:
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All Bran could think of was Old Nan's story of the Others and the last hero, hounded through the white woods by dead men and spiders big as hounds. He was afraid for a moment, until he remembered how that story ended. "The children will help him," he blurted, "the children of the forest!"
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