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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS

Posted on 1/6/13 at 11:13 am to
Posted by MTB
Houston
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 1/6/13 at 11:13 am to
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Aegon the conqueror had no claim to the throne. Robert baratheon had no REAL claim to the throne.


Aegon had Dragons.
Robert had Stormsend plus the north and the Vale. they were quick to join because the King was mad.

As both Aegon and Robert won battles, more sides switched to them.

JS has neither the advantages of Aegon and Robert. Since the last group he lead did what they did at the end of the last novel, I doubt many would follow him save the wildlings. The only way he can claim the throne is to have Dragons, not lineage.

But you are right, at the end the throne may be a forgotten aspect and Westeros will return to days of old.
Posted by DreadDub
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Member since May 2006
652 posts
Posted on 1/6/13 at 12:12 pm to
Just finished the Dunk and Egg novellas last night after finishing ADWD just before Christmas. Wow, the books and this thread have my head spinning. I think I would really benefit from a re-read as the amount of foreshadowing in the early novels is immense and would probably enhance my understanding of the entire story structure.

A question to start though, and sorry if this has been re-hashed -

Why is the general consensus that Bloodraven's motives are necessarily bad/evil and in league with the Others? I'm not sold on that idea.

In the D&E stories he is portrayed by the small folk as a sorcerer/kinslayer = evil (responsible for drought, etc...) But in reality, it appears to me that he is just loyal to the Targ family (even though he is only a bastard offspring of the family.)

He then became Lord Commander of the Nights Watch upon is exile to the wall (anti-Other.) At the time of Bran's training, he is holed up in a cave with the Children of the Forest who have throughout the story been on Mankind's side against the Others.

I agree that Bloodraven is the tree training Bran but I do not believe it is established that it is for evil purposes. I think it is a more a passing of the torch in connection with Bran's relationship with Jon and his genealogical lineage (a Targ on the throne.) I don't even know if the Throne is Bloodravens' greatest interest at this point however, it might even be the fact that Winter is Coming - ie, Others gaining strength and a great battle coming.

I'm open to debate though. Fire away -

Posted by CottonWasKing
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Posted on 1/6/13 at 12:20 pm to
Azor ahai shall be born amidst salt and smoke to wake stone dragons from the earth

And whose to say that Jon wont have dragons?

And winning a few battles/saving the realm from the others should go a long way towards winning the north and the riverlands. As well as possibly Dorne considering they still love Rhaegar and Doran probably knew of Rhaegars belief that AA will be born from his line
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