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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
Posted on 6/28/16 at 1:11 pm to LSUSUPERSTAR
Posted on 6/28/16 at 1:11 pm to LSUSUPERSTAR
But before Bran fricked up why did anyone even bother going beyond the wall, if the wall holds back the others, why ever go north of it?
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Posted on 6/28/16 at 1:15 pm to JumpingTheShark
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But before Bran fricked up why did anyone even bother going beyond the wall, if the wall holds back the others, why ever go north of it?
Most people (even in the North) don't believe and still don't believe the white walkers have ever existed. Also the only people going beyond the wall were the Night's Watch for investigative purposes and Wildlings.
Posted on 6/28/16 at 1:29 pm to 1BamaRTR
I don't know it's just not convincing. So yes the Nights Watch obviously knows about the white walkers but time and time again they go beyond the wall and get murdered by white walkers. Even Benjen says he was killed going north of the wall searching for White Walkers. Sounds fricking dumb if you have an impenetrable wall to hide behind where they can't possibly cross.
Posted on 6/28/16 at 1:35 pm to 1BamaRTR
Hodor here. Have been avoiding all of the non Hodor threads, but it seems safe to come out of hiding and ask some questions to the readers.
What is the deal with Ian McShane and his crew? Were they only there to serve the story of The Hound's return? Seems like a lot of time--and likely money--was spent to indroduce another group in a season that clearly finally started moving towards the end of the series. Was his casting just a red-hering to get readers to speculate on who he was going to play? I have only read the last few pages of the thread. Will try to catch up by next season.
What is the deal with Ian McShane and his crew? Were they only there to serve the story of The Hound's return? Seems like a lot of time--and likely money--was spent to indroduce another group in a season that clearly finally started moving towards the end of the series. Was his casting just a red-hering to get readers to speculate on who he was going to play? I have only read the last few pages of the thread. Will try to catch up by next season.
Posted on 6/28/16 at 1:45 pm to Hot Carl
Yeah so that character is in the books more or less but the idea that the hound is alive is not as explicit in the books as it is the show. I think they cast McShane to kind of make the audience think he will be a lasting character and to create a sense of shock when he is murdered in the same episode. Whether it was effective or not is up to the viewer.
Posted on 6/28/16 at 1:47 pm to JumpingTheShark
That makes sense. I was certainly caught off guard by his early demise, though I guess by now I shouldn't have been.
Posted on 6/28/16 at 1:49 pm to JumpingTheShark
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I've got a likely dumbass question, but I can't remember from the books. If everyone is so worried about Winter and the north folks are worried about the white walkers, since the white walkers can't pass the wall, then why doesn't everyone just stay south of the wall until winter ends and stop fricking ranging beyond the wall?
No one really knows that though. It's more just a myth. I think that the Others are kind of like Vampires and can't get through the Wall unless they are directly invited in. It's why they haven't built a ton of ships, since the Wall is more of a magical than physical barrier for them.
Posted on 6/28/16 at 1:53 pm to JumpingTheShark
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I don't know it's just not convincing. So yes the Nights Watch obviously knows about the white walkers but time and time again they go beyond the wall and get murdered by white walkers. Even Benjen says he was killed going north of the wall searching for White Walkers. Sounds fricking dumb if you have an impenetrable wall to hide behind where they can't possibly cross.
Actually the Night's Watch didn't know for sure that the White Walkers even existed until they were defeated at the Fist of the First Men. When they executed that deserted at the beginning of the season/prologue of the book, no one really believed him except for Benjen. And Benjen was just going out to investigate because he wasn't 100% sure about it himself. Jeor didn't start believing until Benjen's horse returned without him, so he decided they needed to go out and search for him.
But none of them know that there are spells in the Wall to keep the White Walkers out. For all they know, it's just a huge wall of ice.
This post was edited on 6/28/16 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 6/28/16 at 2:06 pm to Bamatab
That makes sense, and the show is influencing me too much because ogre right that the book is better about displaying the wonder of the Others and the history of the wall
Posted on 6/28/16 at 2:17 pm to DarthTiger
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R+L=J just seems too simple and obvious to me.
okay can we clear this up, that theory, while extremely popular and has been for years, was not some black and white obvious theory unless you are lookin for it. It's a lot of small anecdotal evidence that people had 20 years to discect and find out what GRRM intended in his writing. It's like someone teaching you a simple math theory. Sure you understand the concept, and how you got there. But if there wasn't a teacher there to point it out, do you think you could invent that formula by yourself like someone did hundreds of years ago probably? I don't think so.
Posted on 6/28/16 at 2:27 pm to wildtigercat93
I thought the books made it all but explicit. Just my opinion.
Posted on 6/28/16 at 2:30 pm to JumpingTheShark
again, easy to say when its become such a staple of the series and the crackpotting going on for decades
Posted on 6/28/16 at 2:48 pm to wildtigercat93
If you actually read the books then it is pretty easy to say...
Posted on 6/28/16 at 3:05 pm to JumpingTheShark
I mean other than the Tower of Joy, i don't recall there being much delving into Jon's backstory. And I'm not sure I would have put the pieces together without twenty years of investigation by fans everywhere.
I'd like to think I would have, but it wasn't explicit.
I'd like to think I would have, but it wasn't explicit.
This post was edited on 6/28/16 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 6/28/16 at 3:05 pm to JumpingTheShark
ahh... idk
I mean its obvious when you go back and read it , knowing what you know from the internet. Knowing what to look for in dreams and visions etc
but for people just initially reading the book 20 years ago ... I don't think it was THAT obvious.
I mean its obvious when you go back and read it , knowing what you know from the internet. Knowing what to look for in dreams and visions etc
but for people just initially reading the book 20 years ago ... I don't think it was THAT obvious.
Posted on 6/28/16 at 3:13 pm to wildtigercat93
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while extremely popular and has been for years, was not some black and white obvious theory unless you are lookin for it.
Meh. It was OBVIOUS from Ned's fever dream on. Martin then returned to that point again, and again. There was no other possible reason for the story and the "Promise me, Ned" burning in his memory. No other possible reason at all. We'll just have to agree to disagree on that one.
Posted on 6/28/16 at 3:46 pm to jefforize
I mean how do we think it ended up on the Internet? GRRM put it there? A lot of people figured it out.
Posted on 6/28/16 at 6:05 pm to JumpingTheShark
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jefforize
I mean how do we think it ended up on the Internet?
[(Win95)56k] + (R+L)= www.J
This post was edited on 6/28/16 at 6:08 pm
Posted on 6/28/16 at 6:57 pm to 19
Back in the AOL dial up days .
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Posted on 6/28/16 at 7:12 pm to wildtigercat93
quote:GRRM doesn't spell things out. It was always a fact, not a theory. The basis for him allowing D&D to adapt the books was that they correctly answered his question, "who is Jon Snow's mother?"
okay can we clear this up, that theory, while extremely popular and has been for years, was not some black and white obvious theory unless you are lookin for it. It's a lot of small anecdotal evidence that people had 20 years to discect and find out what GRRM intended in his writing.
The same subtlety was used to let the reader know that The Hound was still alive.
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