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RE: Bolden...I was listening to 104.5's Audio Vault this morning...

Posted on 7/31/12 at 8:47 am
Posted by GFunk
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Posted on 7/31/12 at 8:47 am
and I enjoy anytime Gordy Rush comes on. I feel like the staff trusts him and he has good insights into what's going on internally within the program. He's also unafraid to give you a look inside and also be somewhat unvarnished with his opinion of what he's seeing.

So listening to his segment with Cullotta yesterday about Bolden & what he made of the situation was especially interesting.

He & Moscona evidently went back and cued up tape of the kid in HS. He was a 4-Star player, the 2nd best "dual threat" QB in America if I'm recalling correctly. What he relayed about what he saw was really informative.

Slender in comparison to JJ. Wouldn't be the type that would lower his shoulder and look for an extra yard as JJ had the ability to do once he'd tucked it. Still a little more natural running the zone-read & option plays compared to JJ. His HS ran a Spread Offense with zone-read incorporated into it.

Also went on to say that he was a much better and more polished passer than JJ & then politely hinted he may not have had the best tutoring at the collegiate level out of PSU QB Coach Jay Paterno. Might have also been a duck out of water running their traditional I-Formation offense which struggled the past few years.

The analysis from the review was that he would obviously have a package of plays prepared that would include the zone-read as he seemed adept at it and while we run a complex offense he could have said package and be effective.

All in all a great 15:00 of listening this morning. What I took from what I heard:

-More than ever, I'm convinced Miles loves the zone-read and forces it into our system.

The connections the kid had in HS-where he ran zone read and inside zone plays-were the ones that reached out to the LSU Program to inquire about a transfer. He went to HS in Michigan. Michigan HS connections=Les Miles. Les wants to inject that aspect into our offense and will obviously take any chance he gets to do so.

It also makes me think that he was heavily involved with sticking to the option-based bullsh!t we saw on 1/9. I can't be sure and I won't ever be till he decides to invite me to Voo-Doo BBQ. But the tea leaves simply read this way to me.

Who knows I could be wrong though.

The next thing is that we will more than likely see this kid in an opportunity when either Mett or Rivers could get a look. I'm absolutely against not prepping these two cats as much as we can early on. Simply put they need experience. Mett could've gotten way more last year but didn't (Thanks JJ/Miles).

This year Rivers needs to be prepared so that if Mett isn't around in 2013 for whatever reason, we aren't back at Square one with a 3rd year kid in his Sophomore season that has even less experience in game situations than we do heading into 2012. I hope all of you agree with the sensibility in that.

Bolden playing this year means he's a two year guy and yes he's an insurance policy. Which really takes the pressure off the theory that we can hold onto both AJ & Rettig in this class at QB, which are both far, far more important than Bolden is to the long-term future health of the position and our program.

So in a sense him playing while a negative short-term in developing experience in our starter and experience in our depth will at least ensure that the long-term health of the depth chart & the program at QB isn't affected negatively.

But in summation: Don't be surprised-not one bit-if you see this kid running zone-read early on in the year. Maybe even some short-side option keepers.

Just because we like the matchup. Maybe even to give the DC's something more to prepare for.

/groan.
This post was edited on 7/31/12 at 8:50 am
Posted by rutiger
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Posted on 7/31/12 at 8:52 am to
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This year Rivers needs to be prepared so that if Mett isn't around in 2013 for whatever reason, we aren't back at Square one with a 3rd year kid in his Sophomore season that has even less experience in game situations than we do heading into 2012. I hope all of you agree with the sensibility in that.


So bolden will be the back up this year, but if mett leaves after this season, rivers needs to be ready? Wouldnt bolden have the inside track to start next year then?
Posted by BayouBndt
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Posted on 7/31/12 at 8:53 am to
Posted by TigerStripes30
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Posted on 7/31/12 at 8:53 am to
quote:

This year Rivers needs to be prepared so that if Mett isn't around in 2013 for whatever reason, we aren't back at Square one with a 3rd year kid in his Sophomore season that has even less experience in game situations than we do heading into 2012. I hope all of you agree with the sensibility in that.


Totally agree with you on this
Posted by DEANintheYAY
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Posted on 7/31/12 at 8:54 am to
MOAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by BhamTigah
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Posted on 7/31/12 at 8:54 am to
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Don't be surprised-not one bit-if you don't see this kid running zone-read early on in the year. Maybe even some short-side option keepers.


Nothing wrong with this when done correctly. No one was complaining in 2007.
Posted by LSUthrilla
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Posted on 7/31/12 at 8:55 am to
Is this kid not in the same class as Mett? Why would the '13 QBs leave because of Bolden?
Posted by DEANintheYAY
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Posted on 7/31/12 at 8:57 am to
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Is this kid not in the same class as Mett? Why would the '13 QBs leave because of Bolden?



Listen, this is the Rant. Don't try and be logical and shite up in here.
Posted by GFunk
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Posted on 7/31/12 at 8:59 am to
quote:

rutiger
quote:



So bolden will be the back up this year, but if mett leaves after this season, rivers needs to be ready? Wouldnt bolden have the inside track to start next year then?


I see your point and I think its valid. My line of thinking in saying that is that Bolden is an insurance policy for this year.

In other words, think of it thusly:

Rivers-Classic pocket-passer pedigree
Rettig-Air-Raid Spread (pure passer) pedigree
Jennings-Air Raid Spread (pure passer) pedigree w/athleticism

...and then you have Bolden...

Spread-Zone pedigree...

I don't see changing the offense completely around to fit your personnel based on a potential one-year of starting out of Bolden when you have the talent on hand & the pipeline set up to go Pro-Formation & stay that way for the next 5 years straight when we look at personnel in the program at the QB position.

In other words, I think Bolden is gonna play situationally the next two years unless something CRAZY happens injury-wise or he turns into Ryan Perrilloux w/an actual brain. Otherwise, I think we stay Pro-Formation. There's too much evidence that's the direct we're moving as a program with the talent we've recruited and continue to recruit at the QB position.

I just don't care for the fact that we will take practice time away from QB's & OL to teach a different blocking scheme & style of offense.

If the people who have been successful in the past at LSU (Jimbo) and other "flavor of the week" types that run the Spread/Air-Raid variety of offenses (Holgo, Sumlin, Leach et al) have taught you anything, it's to simplify an offense and rep the heck out of it until your players know it innately. They aren't thinking. They're reacting.

Switching things up, shifting gears, and going from one extreme to the other the way this appears it will-even if its just for a package-taks away from that philosophy. Which I happen to subscribe to and like.

Which is why I disagree with it.
This post was edited on 7/31/12 at 9:01 am
Posted by LSUthrilla
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 7/31/12 at 8:59 am to
The odds that Bolden sees the field as a full-time starter are pretty slim. The only way this happens is if Mett leaves early or goes down with an injury.

If this happened without Bolden then you are looking at Rivers coming in as the full-time starter which has even less real game experience than Bolden.

I still don't see a negative here...
This post was edited on 7/31/12 at 9:01 am
Posted by EarthwormJim
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Posted on 7/31/12 at 8:59 am to
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Who knows I could be wrong though.
Posted by GFunk
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Posted on 7/31/12 at 9:01 am to
quote:

EarthwormJim
quote:

Who knows I could be wrong though.


Just reading the cards that are on the table at this point. Rush sees more than what we do. When he talks zone-read and a package of plays, I lend credence to it.

I don't listen to Miles much. But I listen to folks who typically turn out to be right more often than not. Rush usually is.
Posted by Mr. Hangover
New Orleans
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Posted on 7/31/12 at 9:06 am to
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short-side option keepers






the bashing of this play-call is the sure sign of a ranter... and it's been running rampant on this forum for years now..


why can't people understand that THIS IS NOT NCAA 2013... you can have 120 yards to the sideline, but if the defense is shifted towards that way, and the numbers are not in the offense's favor, then it makes a whole lot more sense to go the other direction, regardless if it is the short side of the field... all it is, is a numbers game



i wish this bullshite would stop





if the play is run to the wide side of the field, and a defender is unblocked, the play loses yards... if the play is run to the short side of the field, the offense will more than likely have 5 guys to block 4 (assuming a fullback is in the game), and the defense will have to keep track of two possible ball carriers
This post was edited on 7/31/12 at 9:14 am
Posted by LSUthrilla
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Posted on 7/31/12 at 9:09 am to
quote:

Which really takes the pressure off the theory that we can hold onto both AJ & Rettig in this class at QB, which are both far, far more important than Bolden is to the long-term future health of the position and our program.


Can you please address why you think the '13 kids would not stay committed because we pulled another QB the same class as Mett?
Posted by EarthwormJim
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Posted on 7/31/12 at 9:10 am to
quote:

Just reading the cards that are on the table at this point. Rush sees more than what we do. When he talks zone-read and a package of plays, I lend credence to it.

I don't listen to Miles much. But I listen to folks who typically turn out to be right more often than not. Rush usually is


I think it's safe to assume the coaching staff isn't designing plays for a kid who hasn't had 1 practice at LSU.

It's possible that he impresses with his running ability at camp, but they aren't handing the ball over to him based on his play at Penn St.
Posted by Tiger Roux
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 7/31/12 at 9:14 am to
that play was way to predictable from us. I still recall the moans coming from TS.
Posted by wahoocs
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2004
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Posted on 7/31/12 at 9:17 am to
I can agree with all that, but I figured Randall would have been that part of the equation.

So, either Randall is not coming along nicely, or we just need another arm in the rotation. I'm not for or against this move, and much in the same way that you've made the Michigan connection with this kid, I feel like Miles is mostly helping a kid out of a bad situation.

If I understand correctly, it costs us 1 scholarship for 1 year for 2 years. Is that right?
Posted by Jumbeauxlaya
LSU
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Posted on 7/31/12 at 9:17 am to
quote:



-More than ever, I'm convinced Miles loves the zone-read and forces it into our system.


If it's not god damn Cam Newton back there, I don't want the zone read in the LSU playbook.
Posted by LSUthrilla
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
2099 posts
Posted on 7/31/12 at 9:20 am to
quote:

If it's not god damn Cam Newton back there, I don't want the zone read in the LSU playbook.


I guess you were OK with Flynn & Perriloux running it?

Don't go full retard...
Posted by TXGunslinger10
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 7/31/12 at 9:22 am to
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