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re: Spin off Thread: Matt Mauck vs. Matt Flynn
Posted on 7/24/12 at 3:14 pm to N.O. via West-Cal
Posted on 7/24/12 at 3:14 pm to N.O. via West-Cal
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but Flynn's offense was always productive, never scoring fewer than 27 points in regulation time in a game he started. Indee
Because we rushed for 3000 yards.
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Posted on 7/24/12 at 3:14 pm to N.O. via West-Cal
I agree 100% that Flynn was better. Mauck had better WRs, a much better defense, and struggled in big games. 2003 was about defense.
Offense won 2007 and Early was hurt.
Seriously think back to those years. Werent u more confident with the offense in 2007? Esp the passing game. The 2003 offense scared me at times like Ole Miss, OK, Florida, Georgia. No one stopped 2007 offense.
And someone mentioned 2002. That team would've been solid with a healthy Mauck but it did get dominated by VaTech where again the offense couldn't score.
Offense won 2007 and Early was hurt.
Seriously think back to those years. Werent u more confident with the offense in 2007? Esp the passing game. The 2003 offense scared me at times like Ole Miss, OK, Florida, Georgia. No one stopped 2007 offense.
And someone mentioned 2002. That team would've been solid with a healthy Mauck but it did get dominated by VaTech where again the offense couldn't score.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 3:17 pm to Rittdog
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And Russell ruined LSU's chances at a title his last year with his games against Auburn and Florida. (Yes I know its not all his fault, yes Jimbo had some crappy play calling, yes there wasnt much of a running game earlier in the year...but with his talent...he has to score more than 3 points against Auburn...and cant turn the ball over like that against Florida...Best LSU team to never win it all imo)
Yes, Blame JR for the Auburn game because it JR that was calling run plays , when we ha no run game. Go look at his stats from that game. They were good.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 3:19 pm to CajunBandit
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Who cares, they both produced better outcomes than the athletic multi-dimensional QBs that preferred them.
A team stat. Not just qbs. If a qb throws 4 ints but his team still wins is it really a better qb'd game than a qb who throws 4 TDs but his team loses? You have flawed logic.
This post was edited on 7/24/12 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 7/24/12 at 3:30 pm to Rickdaddy4188
I thought this was a thread about 2 BCS national championship winning QB's?
Posted on 7/24/12 at 3:54 pm to Enfuego
Matt Mauck vs. Matt Flynn vs. Mett enberger. Everybody says we need another Matt under center to win another NC. I say close enough. We'll compare the three after the season's over. 
Posted on 7/24/12 at 4:02 pm to Enfuego
N/A. I don't really have an opinion as the "greatness" of neither of them was significant factor in either's National Championship runs (imo). Both had the job of letting the defense and running game do their work, not make too many big mistakes, and make enough big plays on those occasions when we needed one from the passing game. Both did the job well enough, and that's all that really matters to me.
Here's hoping Mettenberger can do the job at least that well.
Here's hoping Mettenberger can do the job at least that well.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 4:14 pm to Rickdaddy4188
quote:So the QB is not part of the team, got it. I'll keep this in mind from now on.
A team stat.
quote:Probably, but so do you.
You have flawed logic.
quote:These things don't happen in a vacuum. My statement regarded team output. Since the QB is part of the team (an important one I am led to believe) it seems like overall team performance would outweigh individual statistical analysis.
If a qb throws 4 ints but his team still wins is it really a better qb'd game than a qb who throws 4 TDs but his team loses?
Besides, my comment was CLEARLY intended to derail this thread. Why on earth would you bite?
Posted on 7/24/12 at 4:20 pm to Rickdaddy4188
"Because we rushed for 3000 yards [in 2007]."
Well, the rushing difference between the two years was 28 yards per game. Sure, 2007 was better in that department, but I have a hard time believing that this 28 ypg rushing was the only reason LSU scored so consistently with Flynn at the helm. Plus, Flynn did not have a defense anywhere near as good as 2003's to bail him out when he played poorly.
Well, the rushing difference between the two years was 28 yards per game. Sure, 2007 was better in that department, but I have a hard time believing that this 28 ypg rushing was the only reason LSU scored so consistently with Flynn at the helm. Plus, Flynn did not have a defense anywhere near as good as 2003's to bail him out when he played poorly.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 7:04 pm to N.O. via West-Cal
It's not like 2003 had no rushing attack. It was a run first offense with a good OL.
Can't blame the offense for the losses in 2007 but you can for 2003.
Can't blame the offense for the losses in 2007 but you can for 2003.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 9:53 pm to Tony The Tiger
whoa his practice is located in Aurora, Co.... 
Posted on 7/24/12 at 10:20 pm to dukke v
Thanks for remembering. Rainy nite in Gainseville....late 4th....WTF was Mauck doing in the game?
Posted on 7/24/12 at 11:04 pm to GooberT
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Posted by GooberT Thanks for remembering. Rainy nite in Gainseville....late 4th....WTF was Mauck doing in the game?
Major screwup. Although Georgia was good that year and even with mauck I don't know of we beat Bama or AU. Would've beaten Ark though.
Posted on 7/24/12 at 11:44 pm to GooberT
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Thanks for remembering. Rainy nite in Gainseville....late 4th....WTF was Mauck doing in the game?
Big Ben is wondering the same thing....
Posted on 7/25/12 at 12:36 am to CajunBandit
quote:So you're in the books as believing Trent Dilfer was a better NFL QB than Dan Marino. Got it. I'll keep that in mind whenever I read your "thoughts" on football.
Since the QB is part of the team (an important one I am led to believe) it seems like overall team performance would outweigh individual statistical analysis.
Posted on 7/25/12 at 12:53 am to King Joey
quote:Also akin to saying Manning sucked since he went 35–101–3.
So you're in the books as believing Trent Dilfer was a better NFL QB than Dan Marino.
Posted on 7/25/12 at 4:16 am to CajunBandit
You used a TEAM ACCOMPLISHMENT to rank an inferior qb over another.
Posted on 7/25/12 at 4:20 am to CajunBandit
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These things don't happen in a vacuum. My statement regarded team output. Since the QB is part of the team (an important one I am led to believe) it seems like overall team performance would outweigh individual statistical analysis.
It doesn't outweigh it when there is such a huge gap in talent and stats. If both qb are close on talent and stats, then maybe give a nudge then. JR was a far better qb at LSU than either of the Matt's, yet the majority of poster think the Matt's were better. Is 06 JR had the greatest season of any qb, but is place lower than Flynn by many, just because we won the title in 07. Both teams lost two games.
Posted on 7/25/12 at 5:21 am to biglego
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but it did get dominated by VaTech where again the offense couldn't score.
To be fair to LSU ...Va Tech already had a game under their belt. That made a huge difference. They were able to hit someone else and use their gameplan against a real opponent.
Posted on 7/25/12 at 5:57 am to Enfuego
I love me some Flynn but I was at the 2001 SECCG and what Mauck did that day shall not be forgotten.
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