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In a baseball argument about run scoring on sac fly
Posted on 7/14/12 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 7/14/12 at 3:52 pm
run crosses the plate before they throw another runner out who failed to tag for the third out. I believe run scores. If someone finds and links the rule I would greatly appreciate it. I'm having trouble finding it with the phone
Posted on 7/14/12 at 3:55 pm to Bonjourno
I'm not going to waste my time looking it up, but the run doesnt count
Posted on 7/14/12 at 3:56 pm to Bonjourno
Run should count as long as runner who scored tagged.
Posted on 7/14/12 at 3:57 pm to Bonjourno
The run doesn't score because whenever you don't tag up and get thrown out it is ruled a force out.
Posted on 7/14/12 at 4:00 pm to Bonjourno
It counts.
This post was edited on 7/16/12 at 4:33 am
Posted on 7/14/12 at 4:03 pm to Bonjourno
I honestly don't know if its a run or not, but linking a wiki page is pretty middleschool bro.
Posted on 7/14/12 at 4:04 pm to Jcorye1
Well I'm having trouble with the rule oil on my phone
Posted on 7/14/12 at 4:07 pm to Bonjourno
If he scores before the other runner is put out, then the run counts.
Posted on 7/14/12 at 4:08 pm to Bonjourno
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The sacrifice fly is credited even if another runner is put out on appeal for failing to tag up, so long as a run scores prior to the third out
That means the batter gets credited with a sac fly in that case, not that the run counts
Same shite as if there is a ground ball with two outs and the runner from 3rd crosses the plate before the batter is thrown out. It's a force out the run doesn't count.
ETA: never mind for some reason that isn't considered a force out if you dont get back to tag in time. LINK
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Example: NOT a force out. One out. Runner on first and third. Batter flies out. Two out. (All forces are now removed) The runner on third tags up and scores. Runner on first tries to retouch before the throw from the fielder reaches the first baseman, but does not get back in time and is out. Three outs. If, in the umpire's judgment, the runner from third touched home before the ball was held at first base, the run counts.
This post was edited on 7/14/12 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 7/14/12 at 4:11 pm to 1ranter1
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It's a force out the run doesn't count
Posted on 7/14/12 at 4:12 pm to Bonjourno
We had a version of this come up in a slow pitch game a few years ago.
Runner on 3rd tags and scores, runner on 2nd tries to tag but gets thrown out going to third AFTER the runner scores. The inning ends on the play and the team leaves the field, before the pitcher leaves he appeals that the guy they caught advancing never tagged up, he didn't so they call him out (again?).
Now the other team and the umpire are saying our run doesn't count because the guy advancing to third never tagged up, except they had already tagged him out anyway. I'm positive the run should count so I am really pissed to the point of if it wasn't slow pitch softball I'd have gotten myself tossed.
The next week the umpire comes up to me and shows me in te rule book where I was correct, I look at him and say "no shite" and walk off.
Moral of the story, if the guy doesn't tag and advances safely, you can appeal, get him out, and the run doesn't count. HOWEVER, if you tag him out advancing, and the run scores before he is tagged, you can't go back and appeal because you can't get someone out twice, or choose which way you want him to be out
Runner on 3rd tags and scores, runner on 2nd tries to tag but gets thrown out going to third AFTER the runner scores. The inning ends on the play and the team leaves the field, before the pitcher leaves he appeals that the guy they caught advancing never tagged up, he didn't so they call him out (again?).
Now the other team and the umpire are saying our run doesn't count because the guy advancing to third never tagged up, except they had already tagged him out anyway. I'm positive the run should count so I am really pissed to the point of if it wasn't slow pitch softball I'd have gotten myself tossed.
The next week the umpire comes up to me and shows me in te rule book where I was correct, I look at him and say "no shite" and walk off.
Moral of the story, if the guy doesn't tag and advances safely, you can appeal, get him out, and the run doesn't count. HOWEVER, if you tag him out advancing, and the run scores before he is tagged, you can't go back and appeal because you can't get someone out twice, or choose which way you want him to be out
Posted on 7/14/12 at 4:13 pm to 1ranter1
The run counts. A runner missing a base, or a runner failing to tag properly is considering a timing play, and thus any run scored before the appeal, or the ball reaching the base that was left early would count (secondary runners, not the runner that scored).
Posted on 7/14/12 at 4:13 pm to Bonjourno
The run definitely counts. Let's assume there are runners on second and third with one out.
First, the second out is recorded by the sac fly.
Second, the runner on third tags up and scores.
Third, the third out is recorded by getting out the runner who failed to tag up at second.
The run scored and the inning is over.
First, the second out is recorded by the sac fly.
Second, the runner on third tags up and scores.
Third, the third out is recorded by getting out the runner who failed to tag up at second.
The run scored and the inning is over.
Posted on 7/14/12 at 4:15 pm to Bonjourno
So you're saying there's men on second and third with one out. Fly ball to RF. RF makes a diving catch. Two outs. Runner on third tags and crosses home before the runner on second can get back to second base to tag up and is out.
No run scores.
No run scores.
Posted on 7/14/12 at 4:15 pm to 1ranter1
The run scores. On caught balls, there is no force so all runs count that score before the base (or offending runner) is touched/tagged. This is commonly called a time play even though this is a bit easier than the time play when a runner scores at almost the exact same time as another runner is tagged for the third out. Unless the runner is forced to advance and hasn’t yet touched the base to which he is forced to advance when he or the base is touched, all preceding runs count that are scored before the third out occurs.
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Posted on 7/14/12 at 4:21 pm to audodger
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It's a force out the run doesn't count
It is not a force out. The ball was caught in the air.
Posted on 7/14/12 at 4:26 pm to Bonjourno
The run counts. Some people demonstrating their lack of knowledge in this thread.
Posted on 7/14/12 at 4:50 pm to TigerintheNO
TigerintheNo and 1ranter
Appreciate it
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