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In a baseball argument about run scoring on sac fly

Posted on 7/14/12 at 3:52 pm
Posted by Bonjourno
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 7/14/12 at 3:52 pm
run crosses the plate before they throw another runner out who failed to tag for the third out. I believe run scores. If someone finds and links the rule I would greatly appreciate it. I'm having trouble finding it with the phone
Posted by 1ranter1
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2008
10909 posts
Posted on 7/14/12 at 3:55 pm to
I'm not going to waste my time looking it up, but the run doesnt count
Posted by Mikes My Tiger
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2007
3035 posts
Posted on 7/14/12 at 3:56 pm to
Run should count as long as runner who scored tagged.
Posted by ZacharyTiger17
BR
Member since Mar 2010
463 posts
Posted on 7/14/12 at 3:57 pm to
The run doesn't score because whenever you don't tag up and get thrown out it is ruled a force out.
Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
62285 posts
Posted on 7/14/12 at 4:00 pm to
It counts.
This post was edited on 7/16/12 at 4:33 am
Posted by Bonjourno
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2010
2782 posts
Posted on 7/14/12 at 4:02 pm to
I'm telling y'all it counts. Here's a wiki link. It's in the third paragraph under rules. LINK
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
76373 posts
Posted on 7/14/12 at 4:03 pm to
I honestly don't know if its a run or not, but linking a wiki page is pretty middleschool bro.
Posted by Bonjourno
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2010
2782 posts
Posted on 7/14/12 at 4:04 pm to
Well I'm having trouble with the rule oil on my phone
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
45070 posts
Posted on 7/14/12 at 4:07 pm to
The run counts.
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
11419 posts
Posted on 7/14/12 at 4:07 pm to
If he scores before the other runner is put out, then the run counts.
Posted by 1ranter1
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2008
10909 posts
Posted on 7/14/12 at 4:08 pm to
quote:

The sacrifice fly is credited even if another runner is put out on appeal for failing to tag up, so long as a run scores prior to the third out


That means the batter gets credited with a sac fly in that case, not that the run counts

Same shite as if there is a ground ball with two outs and the runner from 3rd crosses the plate before the batter is thrown out. It's a force out the run doesn't count.

ETA: never mind for some reason that isn't considered a force out if you dont get back to tag in time. LINK
quote:

Example: NOT a force out. One out. Runner on first and third. Batter flies out. Two out. (All forces are now removed) The runner on third tags up and scores. Runner on first tries to retouch before the throw from the fielder reaches the first baseman, but does not get back in time and is out. Three outs. If, in the umpire's judgment, the runner from third touched home before the ball was held at first base, the run counts.
This post was edited on 7/14/12 at 4:19 pm
Posted by audodger
Member since Jun 2010
7093 posts
Posted on 7/14/12 at 4:11 pm to
quote:

It's a force out the run doesn't count
Posted by Tiger1242
Member since Jul 2011
33214 posts
Posted on 7/14/12 at 4:12 pm to
We had a version of this come up in a slow pitch game a few years ago.
Runner on 3rd tags and scores, runner on 2nd tries to tag but gets thrown out going to third AFTER the runner scores. The inning ends on the play and the team leaves the field, before the pitcher leaves he appeals that the guy they caught advancing never tagged up, he didn't so they call him out (again?).
Now the other team and the umpire are saying our run doesn't count because the guy advancing to third never tagged up, except they had already tagged him out anyway. I'm positive the run should count so I am really pissed to the point of if it wasn't slow pitch softball I'd have gotten myself tossed.
The next week the umpire comes up to me and shows me in te rule book where I was correct, I look at him and say "no shite" and walk off.

Moral of the story, if the guy doesn't tag and advances safely, you can appeal, get him out, and the run doesn't count. HOWEVER, if you tag him out advancing, and the run scores before he is tagged, you can't go back and appeal because you can't get someone out twice, or choose which way you want him to be out
Posted by Choupique19
The cheap seats
Member since Sep 2005
65521 posts
Posted on 7/14/12 at 4:13 pm to
The run counts. A runner missing a base, or a runner failing to tag properly is considering a timing play, and thus any run scored before the appeal, or the ball reaching the base that was left early would count (secondary runners, not the runner that scored).
Posted by Vicks Kennel Club
29-24 #BlewDat
Member since Dec 2010
31256 posts
Posted on 7/14/12 at 4:13 pm to
The run definitely counts. Let's assume there are runners on second and third with one out.

First, the second out is recorded by the sac fly.

Second, the runner on third tags up and scores.

Third, the third out is recorded by getting out the runner who failed to tag up at second.

The run scored and the inning is over.
Posted by bddwolfpack
NYC
Member since Sep 2010
9407 posts
Posted on 7/14/12 at 4:15 pm to
So you're saying there's men on second and third with one out. Fly ball to RF. RF makes a diving catch. Two outs. Runner on third tags and crosses home before the runner on second can get back to second base to tag up and is out.

No run scores.
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
45070 posts
Posted on 7/14/12 at 4:15 pm to
The run scores. On caught balls, there is no force so all runs count that score before the base (or offending runner) is touched/tagged. This is commonly called a time play even though this is a bit easier than the time play when a runner scores at almost the exact same time as another runner is tagged for the third out. Unless the runner is forced to advance and hasn’t yet touched the base to which he is forced to advance when he or the base is touched, all preceding runs count that are scored before the third out occurs.
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Posted by Vicks Kennel Club
29-24 #BlewDat
Member since Dec 2010
31256 posts
Posted on 7/14/12 at 4:21 pm to
quote:

It's a force out the run doesn't count

It is not a force out. The ball was caught in the air.
Posted by LSUSOBEAST1
Member since Aug 2008
28621 posts
Posted on 7/14/12 at 4:26 pm to
The run counts. Some people demonstrating their lack of knowledge in this thread.


Posted by Bonjourno
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2010
2782 posts
Posted on 7/14/12 at 4:50 pm to
TigerintheNo and 1ranter Appreciate it
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