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re: Question for those supporting the Death Penalty for Penn State
Posted on 7/12/12 at 4:36 pm to Elleshoe
Posted on 7/12/12 at 4:36 pm to Elleshoe
quote:I do too.
I think you and Cpt are on the same page if I'm reading his posts right
The NCAA has to come down on PSU to save face in this matter. If they didn't...people will ask why are they even there in the first place.
A question the NCAA doesn;t want asked.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 4:38 pm to CptBengal
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what would you suggest be done?
About what? Those who covered it up? The legal system has them now. Nothing should be done to the football program because there is nothing the NCAA has jurisdiction to do nor did they break any NCAA rules went it comes to the Sandusky case. As far as the NCAA should be concerned, this is none of their business. They have no authority in the matter and need to just move on and focus on their duties.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 4:40 pm to Elleshoe
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I think you and Cpt are on the same page if I'm reading his posts right
We are.
What you quoted was supposed to be directed to the OP that apparently thinks it's okay to let Penn State get away with covering all this up just because the NCAA is shitty and there's no good alternative where no one who is innocent gets hurt.
I'd love to take that argument to the NCAA over Calipari if he ever gets caught cheating at UK.
"Dear NCAA,
You suck as an organization so you're not allowed to punish us or Coach Cal. Bunch of fricking hypocrites.
Thanks,
Fans of the University of Kentucky "
This post was edited on 7/12/12 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 7/12/12 at 4:40 pm to Sober Garcia
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nor did they break any NCAA rules went it comes to the Sandusky case
Ethical bylaws don't count apparently?
quote:
They have no authority in the matter and need to just move on and focus on their duties.
Is there a Droppie for worst troll?
Posted on 7/12/12 at 4:44 pm to H-Town Tiger
I support the death penalty for Penn State, but not for the entire conference or the entire NCAA. I think that certain Catholic churches should have been shut down, but not entire Parishes or the whole church.
There, is that consistent enough for you?
There, is that consistent enough for you?
Posted on 7/12/12 at 4:47 pm to ELVIS U
If this exact same scenario played out with the Penn State wrestling team, would there even be a question of whether or not they would get the death penalty?
ETA. Granted, that if this went up the chain of command, the HC and the AD probably wouldn't cover it up because the wrestling team doesn't bring in the $ or has the prestige as football, but hypothetical question for arguments sake.
ETA. Granted, that if this went up the chain of command, the HC and the AD probably wouldn't cover it up because the wrestling team doesn't bring in the $ or has the prestige as football, but hypothetical question for arguments sake.
This post was edited on 7/12/12 at 4:51 pm
Posted on 7/12/12 at 4:57 pm to LOCO5150
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If this exact same scenario played out with the Penn State wrestling team, would there even be a question of whether or not they would get the death penalty?
ETA. Granted, that if this went up the chain of command, the HC and the AD probably wouldn't cover it up because the wrestling team doesn't bring in the $ or has the prestige as football, but hypothetical question for arguments sake.
If it was the wrestling team this story would have received a 1/10 of that of the coverage and not a single person would ask for the death penalty.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 5:01 pm to Sober Garcia
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and not a single person would ask for the death penalty.
Because it would have been done without anyone needing to ask for it...
Posted on 7/12/12 at 5:03 pm to LNCHBOX
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Because it would have been done without anyone needing to ask for it...
This...my point exactly.
But it's the high profile, big $ football team with legendary coach, and then...
Posted on 7/12/12 at 5:06 pm to H-Town Tiger
A university and a worldwide religion are not the same thing.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 5:10 pm to H-Town Tiger
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No kids will be saved or protected in Penn State FB is shut down and a lot of people not even associated with Penn State (like other B1G teams for starters) will get screwed
Reason #1 - Most people are dumb and think a University is just a place to house the football team...(for maybe some of their favorite Southern school that's probably an accurate assumption.)
Reason #2 - Most people have a pitchfork/vendetta attitude and can't understand any other justice but shutting down football programs...see Reason #1.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 5:15 pm to Zamoro10
I personally don't want to see them get the death penalty, but I can see the double standard that if this were a lesser sport, it wouldn't even be a question.
Having said that, I think the people that were involved in the cover up should be facing severe criminal penalties, and the University should have an example making outrageous monetary fine.
Having said that, I think the people that were involved in the cover up should be facing severe criminal penalties, and the University should have an example making outrageous monetary fine.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 5:24 pm to Zamoro10
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No kids will be saved or protected in Penn State FB is shut down and a lot of people not even associated with Penn State (like other B1G teams for starters) will get screwed
Reason #1 - Most people are dumb and think a University is just a place to house the football team...
lulz. Theyre a Tier 1 research University.
They'll be fine without fb.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 6:17 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Do you think the Catholic Church should have been shut down? Or at least just the parrishes where kids were abused? If not why not?
Is god the equivalent of the NCAA in this scenario?
Posted on 7/12/12 at 6:22 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Then how do you punish the program without involving kids that weren't involved in the scandal?
If Craig James and Eric Dickerson taking money was enough to give SMU the death penalty, then clearly Penn St. should be in strong consideration for receiving the same fate. Again, just the fact that anyone at PSU gives a shite about the football program is beyond me. They need to worry about the reputation of Penn St. as an academic institution because thats what enabled the football program to exist in the first place.
Posted on 7/12/12 at 6:35 pm to Sober Garcia
quote:I didn't read Freeh, but the pres, AD, and Paterno knew what he was doing and acted to protect him. How can this not be considered encouraging?
Lol you think that the PSU Board of Trustees, President, Athletic Director and Joe Paterno were encouraging Sandusky to use the football facilities of to molest boys?
Posted on 7/14/12 at 12:18 pm to tiggerthetooth
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If Craig James and Eric Dickerson taking money was enough to give SMU the death penalty, then clearly Penn St. should be in strong consideration for receiving the same fate
This is a terrible analogy. The SMU stuff was in direct violation of NCAA rules. The NCAA is there to govern college athletics, not act as an additional law enforcement agency and moral authority. There is no need to have an NCAA rule against everything. These crimes are out of the NCAA's jurisdiction and the guilty parties have been punished.
Posted on 7/14/12 at 12:23 pm to Mo Jeaux
If you could just give the university a good douching all would be better.
Posted on 7/14/12 at 12:23 pm to CptBengal
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are the cathloic churchs where this happened part of a voluntary membership organization which can dole out such punishments as they see fit...like the NCAA can?
No, they aren't. But thanks for a bad analogy.
Let me guess, you are Catholic?
Are you suggesting the Church in Rome or various dioceses have no authority over individual churches?
In both situations higher (earthly) authorities covered up child molestation to protect the image of the organization. To say one should be eliminated, while the other should not is hypocritical.
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