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Gordon S&T options...

Posted on 7/6/12 at 11:11 pm
Posted by THRILLHO
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Posted on 7/6/12 at 11:11 pm
I'd still put his chances of being a Hornet next season at 95%, but what are some realistic S&T options that you can think of that could possibly benefit both teams? Also, the trade would have to be appeasing to Gordon, as I believe that he can turn down any sign and trade proposal. I'm certain that he can turn down any trades in year 1.

1) Obviously we have the Gordon for Gortat and hopefull a first rounder. This has been discussed quite a bit.

2) Gordon for Joakim Noah + Rip Hamilton: the Bulls had Noah and Deng on the block not long ago. They currently have the aging Rip Hamilton as their starting 2. I have a feeling that Noah is off the block now that Asik is gone, but I think that would change if they could save some money and keep Asik, which this deal would allow them to do (looks to me to be about $4m saved). The Bulls would free up the money to keep Asik and land a pretty significant upgrade at the 2. The Hornets would have their long term center, probably the best defensive frontcourt in the NBA, and a mentor to Rivers at the 2 in Rip Hamilton (who has a team option next year). Makes sense if the Bulls think Gordon and Rose can coexist. They may end up taking a larger percentage of the team's shots than the Bulls would like, but they would be a dynamic offensive, pretty good defensive backcourt, so I doubt they would mind.

3) Gordon for Rudy Gay: a major issue that the Grizz had last season (besides ZBo being injured) was that they didn't really have a go to guy. As good as Gay is, he's more of a perfect #2 option than someone you want taking over the game in crunch time. Gordon is exactly that guy. This trade would save the Grizzlies about $3m in each of the next 3 years. The issues that stop the trade:
-Tony Allen is already a solid player at the 2, though this would allow them to trade him for an adequate 3
-Memphis's next 3 is QPon.

As for the Hornets, it gives them a very good, albeit probably overpaid player. He can still improve, but even if he doesn't, he gives us similar offensive production to Gordon with a bit of a drop off on defense. The biggest thing, though, is that Gay only has one of his six seasons where he missed significant time, and it was just for a shoulder, not a knee or anything.

4) Gordon for Danny Granger:
Both players would be sent home and will probably be happy. Granger is a pretty similar player to Gay, but 3 years older and has one fewer season under contract. I'm very meh on this one (which has obviously been spoken of), even though I do like Granger. Collison has frequently been included, but I don't like him.

5) Gordon for KMart, Motiejunas, Lamb/White
Another oft spoken of possibility. Kmart would be a very good one year stop gap that would help teams win games, but would make no sense to re-sign next year. This is all about how much the Hornets like Motie, who could very well be the next Pau Gasol or the next Darko. White could go from a homeless man's Lebron if he doesn't get his head straight/develop an offense, all the way up to lower-middle class man's Lebron if he does. The riskiest of all the trades mentioned, but with the most upside and guaranteed cap flexibility next year.
This post was edited on 7/6/12 at 11:15 pm
Posted by THRILLHO
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Posted on 7/6/12 at 11:12 pm to
And yeah, I'm both bored and buzzing on a Friday night.
Posted by MinnesotaTiger
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Posted on 7/6/12 at 11:17 pm to
That's a really good post. I'm intrigued by the Rudy Gay option mostly because I think he has the least amount of talent dropoff from Gordon and I also think that we could get Memphis to throw in a 1st round pick as well.
Posted by TigerTatorTots
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Posted on 7/6/12 at 11:31 pm to
Yea, if we could get Memphis to throw in a 1st, I'd take that. If we could somehow get Gortat + 1st, I'd take that over all the others
Posted by THRILLHO
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Posted on 7/6/12 at 11:34 pm to
I almost want to say that the Noah trade is my favorite. He's got injury troubles right now, but one of the best defensive centers in the game putting up 10/10, signed for the next 4 years at the same price it would cost us to get Batum sounds like a good deal to me. Better than Gortat (who I like a lot) for 2 years, then needing an extension at 30. We would absolutely need Davis to take that next step offensively if we want to be a great team, but I think he can do that.

Plus Hamilton is 6-7 and can play some SF. The focus should absolutely be on the future, but a crunch time lineup of
Jack/Rivers/Rip/Davis/Noah isn't that bad at all.

ETA: And I just want to emphasize, I think a trade to any of those teams would be OK'd by Gordon aside from MAYBE Memphis which, ironically enough, may be the best of those teams next year.
This post was edited on 7/6/12 at 11:41 pm
Posted by tigerNation09
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Posted on 7/6/12 at 11:46 pm to
montiejunas lamb martin and toronto first would be my preference



Posted by tehchampion140
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Posted on 7/6/12 at 11:49 pm to
I just want the S option.
Posted by ZTiger87
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 7/6/12 at 11:51 pm to
quote:

1) Obviously we have the Gordon for Gortat and hopefull a first rounder. This has been discussed quite a bit.


Suns aren't trading Gortat.

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2) Gordon for Joakim Noah + Rip Hamilton


Bulls aren't trading Noah.

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3) Gordon for Rudy Gay:


Don't think Gordon had any interest in Memphis and Memphis didn't have any in Gordon. Gay is overpaid as well.

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4) Gordon for Danny Granger:


This trade makes the most sense. Mutual interest. George can play the 3. Gordon is more of a go to scorer as well.

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5) Gordon for KMart, Motiejunas, Lamb/White


Rockets aren't trading 2 of their 3 best young players in any trade unless it brings back a top 10 player.
This post was edited on 7/7/12 at 12:03 am
Posted by Nashty
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Posted on 7/6/12 at 11:52 pm to
quote:

1) Obviously we have the Gordon for Gortat and hopefull a first rounder. This has been discussed quite a bit.


I will eat my words if I'm wrong, but I seriously don't see us (PHX) trading Gortat. There are just not enough good-great centers in the NBA today. He is too valuable. I would be really pissed if we did. We might as well tear this contract up and both move on. PHX is not getting Gordon...I've realized this.
Posted by Colonel Flagg
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Posted on 7/6/12 at 11:58 pm to
PG- Jack (28 years old)
SG- Rivers (19 years old)
SF- Gay (25 years old)
PF- Davis (19 years old)
C- Smiht (26 years old)

I still like Gordon with this team and think he is making a mistake not taking a chance to become a real star by playing with our young talent.
Posted by THRILLHO
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Member since Apr 2006
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Posted on 7/6/12 at 11:58 pm to
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Bulls aren't trading Noah.



So they won't trade him, but they put him on the block?
LINK

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Memphis didn't have any Gordon.


They don't have the money to sign him in FA. Gay has been rumored to be on the block. I don't see how a trade for Gordon is out of the picture, especially since they're desperate for cap room and this trade would give them just that. And if Gordon hates NOLA that much, he'd probably take 4 years in Memphis (with Gasol and ZBo) over us.

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Gay is overpaid as well.


Already mentioned that. It's the cost of getting rid of an oft-injured malcontent in exchange for a guy that's locked up for 3 more years and plays in a large majority of his games.

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Rockets aren't trading 2 of their 3 best young players in any trade unless it brings back a top 10 player.



They supposedly have already planned a trade that did just that.
LINK
This post was edited on 7/7/12 at 12:10 am
Posted by saintsfan22
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Posted on 7/7/12 at 12:02 am to
Rockets would 100% do that trade. Morey's been putting together all those pieces to make a trade for a star and Gordon still has star cache despite barely playing last year.
Posted by THRILLHO
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Member since Apr 2006
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Posted on 7/7/12 at 12:07 am to
quote:

I will eat my words if I'm wrong, but I seriously don't see us (PHX) trading Gortat. There are just not enough good-great centers in the NBA today. He is too valuable. I would be really pissed if we did. We might as well tear this contract up and both move on. PHX is not getting Gordon...I've realized this.



I think a Gortat for Noah trade makes a lot of sense for both teams. Bulls get the cap room, make a lateral move at the position, and can contend immediately. Suns get rid of one of the best bargains in the NBA, but get a younger player (though only by a year, almost exactly) locked up for twice as long.
Posted by ZTiger87
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 7/7/12 at 12:13 am to
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So they won't trade him, but they put him on the block?


Did you bother to even read that article? The Bulls shopped Noah around looking to get a high draft pick and to get salary relief. Gordon offers neither.

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They don't have the money to sign him in FA. Gay has been rumored to be on the block. I don't see how a trade for Gordon is out of the picture, especially since they're desperate for cap room and this trade would give them just that. And if Gordon hates NOLA that much, he'd probably take 4 years in Memphis (with Gasol and ZBo) over us.


Not having any money does not mean they would not talk to him if they had interest. It would give them $2-3m in cap relief. Not what they are looking for. If Memphis was any kind of player for Gordon then you would have heard their name pop up.

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They supposedly have already planned a trade that did just that.


Again, the Rockets are not going to trade 2 of their best 3 young players unless it gets them a top 10 player. Eric Gordon is not a star. They can't trade Motiejunas for 30 days. I don't think the Rockets wanted to give Gordon a max contract anyway.
This post was edited on 7/7/12 at 12:15 am
Posted by tigerNation09
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Posted on 7/7/12 at 12:15 am to
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Posted by MrWiseGuy
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Posted on 7/7/12 at 12:19 am to
Would rather George over Granger. Length, age.

And that would be my number choice if we had to trade EJ
This post was edited on 7/7/12 at 12:25 am
Posted by THRILLHO
Old Metairie near Cleary
Member since Apr 2006
50442 posts
Posted on 7/7/12 at 12:45 am to
quote:

Did you bother to even read that article? The Bulls shopped Noah around looking to get a high draft pick and to get salary relief. Gordon offers neither.


I did. Gordon for Noah gives them no relief. Gordon for Noah and Rip gives them $6m and probably allows them to keep Asik.

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If Memphis was any kind of player for Gordon then you would have heard their name pop up.


Fair enough, but I really don't think a Gordon for Gay trade is out of the question. My proposed trades aren't based on likelihood (that would make for a boring thread), but reality, and I don't think that the trade was out of the question.

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Again, the Rockets are not going to trade 2 of their best 3 young players unless it gets them a top 10 player.


There were rumors that they were offering just that. You say there is no way they do it, I give you a link showing that there are legit rumors that they're offering just that. I don't want to say that you're trying to shite on almost all of my proposals, but you're definitely shitting on one that supposedly has a good shot at being on the table. Morey was obviously making moves to land a big name player. Motie + Kmart + Lamb or White. What bigger name than Gordon do you think he could land for that? You say a top 10 player, but Gordon, if he stays healthy (obviously a big if) is a top 15-20 player in the NBA and is only 23. That's not far off from what you say they want.
This post was edited on 7/7/12 at 12:51 am
Posted by ZTiger87
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 7/7/12 at 2:01 am to
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I did. Gordon for Noah gives them no relief. Gordon for Noah and Rip gives them $6m and probably allows them to keep Asik.


The Bulls aren't worried about their salary cap this year. The last year of Rip's contract is a team option so this coming season will probably be his last ini Chicago. Asik will only make $5m this year if the Bulls match, so it isn't that big of deal right now. They are worried that after this season they will have a ton of money tied into Deng, Rose, Boozer and Noah and will also have to resign Gibson. A Noah for Gordon trade makes no sense for them because it takes away from their biggest strength (defense and rebounding) and doesn't free up cap space in the long term.

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Fair enough, but I really don't think a Gordon for Gay trade is out of the question. My proposed trades aren't based on likelihood (that would make for a boring thread), but reality, and I don't think that the trade was out of the question.


It is a fair trade. Something I could see happening at the trade deadline or next offseason if Gordon is still unhappy in New Orleans. At this point it would leave Memphis with Pondexter starting and Tony Allen being relegated to an even lesser role.

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There were rumors that they were offering just that. You say there is no way they do it, I give you a link showing that there are legit rumors that they're offering just that. I don't want to say that you're trying to shite on almost all of my proposals, but you're definitely shitting on one that supposedly has a good shot at being on the table.


First off, rumors are rumors. I can show you rumors that say the Rockets have decided not to trade Martin. Notice how nothing has come out since Gordon has agreed to sign the Suns' offersheet?

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Morey was obviously making moves to land a big name player. Motie + Kmart + Lamb or White. What bigger name than Gordon do you think he could land for that? You say a top 10 player, but Gordon, if he stays healthy (obviously a big if) is a top 15-20 player in the NBA and is only 23. That's not far off from what you say they want.


Notice how they did not sign Dragic and then traded Lowry away. They are not doing that to sign Eric Gordon. They are going all out on Dwight. Realistic or not, that is who they have their signts on. Eric Gordon is not a top 20 player when healthy. Even if he was, he is never healthy. What they want is a franchise changing player. Eric Gordon is not that player. Maybe once the Dwight saga comes to a close the Rockets will turn the sights somewhere else.
Posted by THRILLHO
Old Metairie near Cleary
Member since Apr 2006
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Posted on 7/7/12 at 2:10 am to
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Eric Gordon is not a top 20 player when healthy.


I think that is going to be the base of most of our disagreements. I think that there's a reason that Gordon is being invited to participate in the Olympics. I think that Gordon is a fringe elite player when healthy, and I think that Coach K agrees. We shall see.
Posted by ZTiger87
Member since Nov 2009
11536 posts
Posted on 7/7/12 at 2:56 am to
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I think that is going to be the base of most of our disagreements. I think that there's a reason that Gordon is being invited to participate in the Olympics. I think that Gordon is a fringe elite player when healthy, and I think that Coach K agrees. We shall see.


James Harden, Rudy Gay and Andre Inguodala were also invited to the Olympics. Are any of those guys top 20 players?

Lebron
Durant
Howard
CP3
Kobe
Deron Williams
Bynum
Westbrook
Wade
Rose
Carmelo
Aldridge
Dirk
Jefferson
Love
Rondo

All those guys are no brainers over Gordon.

Horford
Monroe
Griffin
Parker
Manu
Harden
Millsap
M. Gasol
P. Gasol
Irving
Gay
Iguodala
Curry
Hibbert
Noah
Bosh
Randolph
Josh Smith
Tyson Chandler
Joe Johnson
Amare
Nash

All those guys are close to Gordon and most of them would probably be taken before Gordon.
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