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re: It wasn't ALL Saban - tl;dr
Posted on 6/28/12 at 2:39 pm to Tigerpaul1969
Posted on 6/28/12 at 2:39 pm to Tigerpaul1969
Saban has done something that Miles hasn't done. He proved he can takeover a mediocre program and build it into a National Champion/power. Miles hasn't done that in his lifetime. He took and already very good program and kept it going. Saban also has 3 titles while Miles has 1. Saban is easily the best coach in college football.
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Posted on 6/28/12 at 3:54 pm to Tigerpaul1969
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Many people joke when they say this, but it is absolutely true that Saban inherited this team. He did very well, but the cupboard was not bare, as many assume because of our 3-8 record in 1999.
i have been bashed on here before for giving dinardo credit for recruiting well.
Posted on 6/28/12 at 10:21 pm to peopleschamp
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power. Miles hasn't done that in his lifetime. He took and already very good program and kept it going.
It's unfair to hold the state of the program against Miles when he got here. He did not have a rebuilding job on his hands. The mission he was charged with was to keep it going. And for the most part, he's done just that.
Posted on 6/28/12 at 10:23 pm to bakersman
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have been bashed on here before for giving dinardo credit for recruiting well.
SO what? Did you want the sumbitch to have his employment extended or terminated at the end of the 1999 season? You most likely wanted it terminated, just like a whole bunch of people.
Posted on 6/28/12 at 10:52 pm to Rocket
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Rocket
good to see you around these parts again partner...
Posted on 6/29/12 at 2:24 am to Tigerpaul1969
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Many people joke when they say this, but it is absolutely true that Saban inherited this team. He did very well, but the cupboard was not bare, as many assume because of our 3-8 record in 1999.
The case at LSU, for the most part, is that talent has and will never be the problem at LSU. Get us the right coach and the talent available in the state is more than sufficient.
Posted on 6/29/12 at 6:41 am to munchman
I like that people continue to try to take credit away from saban. Very few coaches could have done what he did here.
Posted on 6/29/12 at 7:04 am to josh336
Saban did a lot of great things and deserves credit for those things. He had a vision for running a complete program and was very committed.
Posted on 6/29/12 at 9:31 am to Rocket
I wasn't talking about you, you seem to get it.
Posted on 6/29/12 at 11:49 am to josh336
As I stated in the OP, Saban is the best coach in college football. But many factors go into turning around a football program. One is the head coach.
This post was edited on 6/29/12 at 11:50 am
Posted on 6/29/12 at 1:37 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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LSU v USC:
19 games, 0.868 win%, 16-2-1.
Average score: LSU 24.63, USC 10.68
Cool, wasn't the tie in 95 @ Columbia? S Wilson played on a gimpy knee most of the game?
That will roll over to 17 after this Oct.!
Posted on 6/29/12 at 7:46 pm to Tigerpaul1969
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As I stated in the OP, Saban is the best coach in college football. But many factors go into turning around a football program. One is the head coach.
Our turnaround from being the mecca of inconsistent, underachieving football to a perennial college football power was nothing short of dramatic....so dramatic we take alot of things for granted now. Saban had skill, commitment, relentlessness and vision.....and resources. Mark Emmert was instrumental but he didn't know to go get Tommy Moffitt, he didn't know anything about press defenses with exotic blitz packages, he didn't know anything about Jimbo Fisher's hard-nosed offensive football approach, he didn't know about Will Muschamp's desire and maturity at such a young age nor his recruiting prowess. Emmert didn't know anything about what it takes to run a major college football program. Alot of coaches could have had success at LSU but not to the level and with intensity that Saban did. Saban wanted to make LSU football better than it had ever been, what it always was meant to be. And regardless of where he coaches now, nothing can change what happened between December 1999 to December 2004. Some folk have tried to rewrite what happened during Saban's tenure here but I know better. Saban's job was not to be anybody's friend and give fans top shelf treatment, but to renovate our program and make it the best it can be. He made tremendous headway in that regard.
This post was edited on 6/29/12 at 7:51 pm
Posted on 6/29/12 at 9:08 pm to Tigerpaul1969
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He did very well, but the cupboard was not bare, as many assume because of our 3-8 record in 1999.
No, the cupboard was not bare, but it was not even close to being full. I will repeat this as long as this shite gets brought up.
DiNardo HATED two-sport athletes and didn't recruit them. He denied Kennison a starting job early his last season because he ignored DiNardo about not running track.
The program was going backwards under DiNardo and overall his recruiting was average at best. He got some big names, but not enough and lost out on "athletes" his last couple of years.
LSU lost many good athletes due to DiNardo's stance and it hurt football and track.
Henry was so pissed about DiNardo threatening Kennison and Cummings about running track he had to meet w/ the AD. They came to LSU as two-sport guys and he tried to deny that.
Posted on 6/30/12 at 11:28 am to DP40
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program was going backwards under DiNardo and overall his recruiting was average at best. He got some big names, but not enough and lost out on "athletes" his last couple of years.
Pretty much. Attitudes and perspectives toward DiNardo on here seemed to only change when Saban left and especially when he left for Bama. He then all of a sudden didn't do that bad of a job but very few people wanted that guy(DiNardo)to keep his job in November of 1999. But like I've said before, it's easy to look back and cut him some slack since we've had so much success since then. It's amazing how far we've come.
Posted on 6/30/12 at 11:44 am to Rocket
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Our turnaround from being the mecca of inconsistent, underachieving football to a perennial college football power was nothing short of dramatic....so dramatic we take alot of things for granted now. Saban had skill, commitment, relentlessness and vision.....and resources. Mark Emmert was instrumental but he didn't know to go get Tommy Moffitt, he didn't know anything about press defenses with exotic blitz packages, he didn't know anything about Jimbo Fisher's hard-nosed offensive football approach, he didn't know about Will Muschamp's desire and maturity at such a young age nor his recruiting prowess. Emmert didn't know anything about what it takes to run a major college football program. Alot of coaches could have had success at LSU but not to the level and with intensity that Saban did. Saban wanted to make LSU football better than it had ever been, what it always was meant to be. And regardless of where he coaches now, nothing can change what happened between December 1999 to December 2004. Some folk have tried to rewrite what happened during Saban's tenure here but I know better. Saban's job was not to be anybody's friend and give fans top shelf treatment, but to renovate our program and make it the best it can be. He made tremendous headway in that regard.
why don't you go suck off saban then you fricking pussy. you probably cheered when Alabama scored that last TD against LSU in the title game
Posted on 6/30/12 at 11:55 am to Elleshoe
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why don't you go suck off saban then you fricking pussy. you probably cheered when Alabama scored that last TD against LSU in the title game
Oh, we have a badass here.
I hate to tell you Saban>Miles.
Deal with it.
Posted on 6/30/12 at 12:02 pm to DP40
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Oh, we have a badass here.
I hate to tell you Saban>Miles.
Deal with it.
Don't comment on what you don't know shite about. Rocket understands my point loud and clear.
I'll catch you up though. I'm making fun of him. He said I was an Alabama fan because I claimed Les Miles isn't one of the top 10 coaches of all times.
This post was edited on 6/30/12 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 6/30/12 at 12:04 pm to Elleshoe
If I missed sarcasm as I apparently did, oops. 
Posted on 6/30/12 at 12:05 pm to DP40
its all good brah.
Posted on 6/30/12 at 12:17 pm to Tigerpaul1969
Hiring Dinardo started the turnaround, along with Dinardo's recruiting. He filled up the seats again, won three bowl games and two classes of his recruits were on the 03 nat'l champ team. Dinardo left the program much, much better than what he inherited. Then Saban raised it more.
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