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re: Athlon Debate on Les as a Coach
Posted on 6/6/12 at 12:14 am to Adam Banks
Posted on 6/6/12 at 12:14 am to Adam Banks
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No Miles wont match up pound for pound with saban
There may be a quite, slight unease in BamaLand that Saban may retire from UA batting 500 or worse against CLM. This would amuse the hell out of me.
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Posted on 6/6/12 at 12:17 am to Lithium
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So what late game decision in a big game has ol' Les called?
Remarkable, truly.
Posted on 6/6/12 at 12:49 am to jdg91878
Because blows compared to football!
Posted on 6/6/12 at 1:05 am to deuce985
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Does that make Les a bad coach? No. Is he a top 10 CFB coach? Maybe. Is he a elite gameday coach? I'd say no there. Lets be real...I've seen a lot worse in a successful program. He could've Coker'd our program but he's managed it fine. Miles isn't a program builder. Saban is. Nobody is on the level of Saban in CFB though. Just the way it is. That doesn't make him invincible though.
Agree with a lot of your post but not the Mack Brown part. Les is much more of a coach than figurehead. He does need good coordinators to be at the top. Best attribute is that everyone seems to want to play for or coach with him, thats what makes the ncg game so strange--offensively that team did not want to give it their all.
Les is a great coach that sometimes struggles on gameday decisions. He does work on areas of weakness and has proven to make changes when necessary. His loyalty has cost him sometimes but I think he realizes that and has made adjustments.
If your looking for a short term coach I wouldn't pick Les--like you stated he is not a program builder. If you want a very good long term coach that is not a figurehead you would have a tough time getting someone better that CLM.
Posted on 6/6/12 at 1:07 am to TigersRuleTheEarth
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Did everybody just glance over this obvious bullshite: quote:While there may be better coaches than Miles in the SEC -- if Bobby Petrino were still at Arkansas, there were at least two better in the West alone -
This would be true...
:freakinpetrino:
2-2 against Les with far less talent*
*allegedly
This post was edited on 6/6/12 at 1:11 am
Posted on 6/6/12 at 1:16 am to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
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All this talk of poor coaching 1/9/12 is built on premise of a viable option B.
Alabama had a good defense but when you don't get past midfield until late in the game with your offense you always have an option. He stuck with the gameplan because the defense was holding Bama out of the endzone. At halftime he had seen our offense play 6 qtrs against their defense without a touchdown--it was poor coaching to not make some changes.
Also if Mett is as good as he seems Les should have been playing him a lot more during the season for a plan B. I like Les as our coach and I do think he is a great coach but making excuses for 1/9/12 is wrong.
Posted on 6/6/12 at 1:19 am to Choctaw
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questionable? only by morons
Posted on 6/6/12 at 1:21 am to zip25
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So you think Miles is a better coach than Saban?
I do. Saban let a Jordan Jefferson led team beat him twice (2010/2011).
Saban, at Bama, lost to UL-Monroe.
Saban, at LSU, lost to UAB.
Saban, at LSU, lost to Iowa in his final game.
Compare Les Miles' losses at LSU...and consider the fact that he has the best winning percentage at LSU as a head coach.
In 2008, if you switch QB's....LSU wins every game it loses.
I'll take Les every day over Saban.
Posted on 6/6/12 at 1:23 am to dljtigers
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Alabama had a good defense but when you don't get past midfield until late in the game
Their DL was beating our OL...so again I don't assume the premise there was a vialble option B.
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Also if Mett is as good as he seems Les should have been playing him a lot more during the season for a plan B. I like Les as our coach and I do think he is a great coach but making excuses for 1/9/12 is wrong.
Not an excuse, an observation. In hindsight he should have kept Lee as starter ( the horrendous starts against Hogs and UGA demonstrated this). Give Lee the start 1/9/12. Zach simply didn't have the snaps. Either way...it's a done deal now.
Posted on 6/6/12 at 1:41 am to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
Agree with the done deal part. Appreciate your point of view. Looking forward to a great 2012 season.
Posted on 6/6/12 at 1:44 am to dljtigers
Posted on 6/6/12 at 2:53 am to Rustled Jimmies
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Citing Belechick as an example caused my neocortex explode.
Why? He got outcoached in the Super Bowl by a coach he beat earlier in the season. That is exactly what happened to Miles. Belichick could no more change the Patriots offensive approach for the Super Bowl than Miles could for the BCSCG. Being unbeaten actually limited the options for both coaches.
It is not my intention to imply Les is on a par with Belichick as a football coach. My point is to show that sometimes circumstances limit the flexibility of all coaches, and it can have negative consequences for their teams.
Posted on 6/6/12 at 7:26 am to jdg91878
Yeah. I agree. Les sucks compared to Saban.
Since Jan 9th is what defines this, let me remind everyone of something:
It wasn't Les Miles that didn't win the SEC West, in 2011, that was Nick Saban.
It wasn't Les Miles that didn't win his biggest game of the season....AT HOME....that was Nick Saban. Les Miles had already won several other "big games" (including two eventual BCS conference champions on the road) before beating Saban in his house....then beating Petrino (frick that...he HUMILIATED Petrino), then going to Atlanta, which brings me to...
It wasn't Les Miles that didn't win the SEC in 2011, that was Nick Saban.
It wasn't Les Miles who had to go on Sportcenter during the SECCG and literally BEG for a Mulligan last January....that was Nick Saban.
It wasn't Les Miles who was beaten twice in a row, with arguably two of the best team's in that program's history (which is saying a lot) with Jordan Jefferson at QB....that was Nick Saban.
If it weren't for the unprecedented Mulligan that Nick Saban got, Miles would be 3-2 against him with 2 BCS titles (tied with Saban). None of this stupidity would even be printed in the media.
Wait, take that back. This is the shameless media we are talking about here. Never mind.
I could go on and on. The fact that his is even a question for debate (Miles being a top coach) should insult anyone's intelligence.
Since Jan 9th is what defines this, let me remind everyone of something:
It wasn't Les Miles that didn't win the SEC West, in 2011, that was Nick Saban.
It wasn't Les Miles that didn't win his biggest game of the season....AT HOME....that was Nick Saban. Les Miles had already won several other "big games" (including two eventual BCS conference champions on the road) before beating Saban in his house....then beating Petrino (frick that...he HUMILIATED Petrino), then going to Atlanta, which brings me to...
It wasn't Les Miles that didn't win the SEC in 2011, that was Nick Saban.
It wasn't Les Miles who had to go on Sportcenter during the SECCG and literally BEG for a Mulligan last January....that was Nick Saban.
It wasn't Les Miles who was beaten twice in a row, with arguably two of the best team's in that program's history (which is saying a lot) with Jordan Jefferson at QB....that was Nick Saban.
If it weren't for the unprecedented Mulligan that Nick Saban got, Miles would be 3-2 against him with 2 BCS titles (tied with Saban). None of this stupidity would even be printed in the media.
Wait, take that back. This is the shameless media we are talking about here. Never mind.
I could go on and on. The fact that his is even a question for debate (Miles being a top coach) should insult anyone's intelligence.
This post was edited on 6/6/12 at 11:09 am
Posted on 6/6/12 at 9:03 am to EZE Tiger Fan
Man, you guys and your "Saban's X's & O's are better than anybodies" fricking bullshite. Riddle me this, if his X's and O's are so great, and he's the best recruiter in the nation, and is in a class by himself in coaching ability, why the frick is he 3-3 vs. this assclown Les Miles? Baffling isn't it? Shouldn't he be more like 5-1? Every poor hapless dog like CLM has his day, right, so give CLM maybe 1 win? But deadlocked at three with a tard who doesn't even know where his X's go, or what his O's are even for? Doesn't make sense, does it?
And did I actually see someone talk up Saban's coaching hires as all-world? Look around, they're no better than any other good coach's hires. Brick Haley, Ron Cooper ring any bells? I could name you 5 coaches that were Coordinators a couple years ago that are doing better than every one of Nick's assistants with the notable exception of Bo.
And to my third point, ah, the gameday manager. Another spot where Saban blows Les Miles. Out of the water, I mean. What's so bad about the way Les manages the game on gameday? Tennessee you say? Well to that I say ULM. You can piss and moan about him not having his players yet, but you know what? The day someone steps up and says ULM had a better team than ALabama did, and had a better coach, I'll lay that arguement to rest, till then, frick you. BCS Championship? I say Ryan Perrioulooox, Russell Shepard, Zach Lee, JJ. Raise your hand if you thought RP would be a great QB for LSU while being recruited. Now for RS. Zach Lee, Chad Jones style 2x championships? Lsu has had the worst time with QBs and it bit them, specifically with JJ in this case. My question is this, not why did Lsu lose the BCSC, but why did Saban, after seeing in the first game that Lsu could not throw at all, not win the Game Of The Century by stopping the run? It's because Nick is not the best game day manager. He's not even above average IMO, and I'm not even joking. His bread and butter is recruiting + defense (specializing in 2ndary). In those two areas, he's the best. In other areas, I see a lot of people regurgitating a lot of bullshite they see on the news, and hear other dumbfricks say over and over, and it's still just bullshite. What great adjustments does his team make at halftime that you haven't seen Lsu's poor defenseless team of bumbling idiots make? Does Lsu's defense tighten it's grip in the second half of every game? Why yes, yes they do. Does Lsu's offense do better in the second half than in the first half? Wait a minute! They do! He doesn't do anything different than Les Miles, they play great defense, they punt the ball, then they run the F out of it. The difference is Saban happened to have an actual QB last year, and we had an actual kicker. You win some, you lose some. Unless you're head and shoulders better in every aspect in the most important part of a football team, then you win them all, right?
And did I actually see someone talk up Saban's coaching hires as all-world? Look around, they're no better than any other good coach's hires. Brick Haley, Ron Cooper ring any bells? I could name you 5 coaches that were Coordinators a couple years ago that are doing better than every one of Nick's assistants with the notable exception of Bo.
And to my third point, ah, the gameday manager. Another spot where Saban blows Les Miles. Out of the water, I mean. What's so bad about the way Les manages the game on gameday? Tennessee you say? Well to that I say ULM. You can piss and moan about him not having his players yet, but you know what? The day someone steps up and says ULM had a better team than ALabama did, and had a better coach, I'll lay that arguement to rest, till then, frick you. BCS Championship? I say Ryan Perrioulooox, Russell Shepard, Zach Lee, JJ. Raise your hand if you thought RP would be a great QB for LSU while being recruited. Now for RS. Zach Lee, Chad Jones style 2x championships? Lsu has had the worst time with QBs and it bit them, specifically with JJ in this case. My question is this, not why did Lsu lose the BCSC, but why did Saban, after seeing in the first game that Lsu could not throw at all, not win the Game Of The Century by stopping the run? It's because Nick is not the best game day manager. He's not even above average IMO, and I'm not even joking. His bread and butter is recruiting + defense (specializing in 2ndary). In those two areas, he's the best. In other areas, I see a lot of people regurgitating a lot of bullshite they see on the news, and hear other dumbfricks say over and over, and it's still just bullshite. What great adjustments does his team make at halftime that you haven't seen Lsu's poor defenseless team of bumbling idiots make? Does Lsu's defense tighten it's grip in the second half of every game? Why yes, yes they do. Does Lsu's offense do better in the second half than in the first half? Wait a minute! They do! He doesn't do anything different than Les Miles, they play great defense, they punt the ball, then they run the F out of it. The difference is Saban happened to have an actual QB last year, and we had an actual kicker. You win some, you lose some. Unless you're head and shoulders better in every aspect in the most important part of a football team, then you win them all, right?
Posted on 6/6/12 at 9:08 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Except for the brain fart he had against LSU in November. Honestly that was almost as bad of a performance by him as the Jan game was for Miles, almost. That is given that it was at home, all that was on the line at the time and how he seemed to blow it.
Actually think Saban did his best coaching job (at Bama) last year.
This post was edited on 6/6/12 at 9:09 am
Posted on 6/6/12 at 9:23 am to otowntiger
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Except for the brain fart he had against LSU in November. Honestly that was almost as bad of a performance by him as the Jan game was for Miles, almost. That is given that it was at home, all that was on the line at the time and how he seemed to blow it.
But don't you get it? For great coaches like Saban, little things like losing "The Game of the Century" don't count. That's what makes him so awesome.
Duh.
Posted on 6/6/12 at 9:39 am to deuce985
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Les has always been a mediocre gameday coach
Tell that to the 31 nationally ranked teams he has beated, tell it to the NS and UM teams he has a 500 record against, tell it to the #4 ranked Oregon team he beat 40-27 at Cowboy Stadium, tell it to the #5 ranked Ark. team he beat 41-17, and tell it to the #1 ranked Bama team he beat 9-6 in OT at Bama.
LM has won 75 games on "gameday" since 05 and that's the most "gameday" wins of ANY BCS school in that period. LM has more SEC "gameday" wins since 05 than ANY other school in the SEC.
Some of this BS we come up with here is too freaking funny.
Posted on 6/6/12 at 10:03 am to deuce985
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He has way too many brain farts during a game to be considered a great gameday coach
could you give some examples please?
Posted on 6/6/12 at 10:09 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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Yeah. I agree. Les sucks compared to Saban. Since Jan 9th is what defines this, let me remind everyone of something: It wasn't Les Miles that didn't win the SEC West, in 2011, that was Nick Saban. It wasn't Les Miles that didn't win his biggest game of the season....AT HOME....that was Nick Saban. Les Miles had already won several other "big games" (including two eventual BCS conference champions on the road) before beating Saban in his house....then beating Petrino, then going to Atlanta, which brings me to... It wasn't Les Miles that didn't win the SEC in 2011, that was Nick Saban. It wasn't Les Miles who had to go on Sportcenter during the SECCG and literally BEG for a Mulligan last January....that was Nick Saban. It wasn't Les Miles who was beaten twice in a row, with arguably two of the best team's in that program's history (which is saying a lot) with Jordan Jefferson at QB....that was Nick Saban. If it weren't for the unprecedented Mulligan that Nick Saban got, Miles would be 3-2 against him with 2 BCS titles (tied with Saban). None of this stupidity would even be printed in the media. Wait, take that back. This is the shameless media we are talking about here. Never mind. I could go on and on. The fact that his is even a question for debate (Miles being a top coach) should insult anyone's intelligence.
This is a classic. What's sad is that you have to spell it out for a decent portion of the LSU fanbase and they still don't get it. All these jackasses in the media write the narrative and some of our goofy fanbase takes the bait everytime.
Posted on 6/6/12 at 10:10 am to H-Town Tiger
Uhhh, That pathetic display of an offensive game plan with absolutely NO..NONE, NADA. ZILCH adjustments was a clusterfrick of mammoth proportions...and it was against Saban.
Please stop with the Bama didn't deserve to be there. They skull fricked LSU in the NC game, plain and simple!
Please stop with the Bama didn't deserve to be there. They skull fricked LSU in the NC game, plain and simple!
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