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| re: Brees isn't an elite QB -- Fox Sports (Posted on 5/26/12 at 11:11 pm to CocoLoco)
exactly.
brady is not better than brees. he's just not.
not now.
manning missed an entire season.. who knows.
brees is nothing but consistently churning out the number 1 offense since day when. he took a 2 win franchise to the nfc championship to the playoffs in his first season. and that team did not make any other upgrades whatsoever.. his best receiver was a nearly undrafted receiver out of hostra.
brees then in 2009 had a perfect td to no ints playoff run and was superbowl mvp.
i dont care if its not fair to compare h2h stats but last i saw.. brees beat all 4 of these bastards h2h.. including brady, manning, big ben, and eli (every fricking time i believe)
so go eat shite fox sports. since 2006 when he joined the saints no other qb in the entire NFL has more td passes than brees. none. zero. he is number 1. i would say that counts for a ton.
This post was edited on 5/26 at 11:26 pm
| | Back to top | | Jcorye1
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| re: Brees isn't an elite QB -- Fox Sports (Posted on 5/27/12 at 4:10 am to thedice20)
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#1 Drew plays in probably the most difficult QB system to be succesful in . He puts up gauty numbers because he is so damn accurate, and he makes great decisions. HE IS NOT a "system guy".
Very debatable.
New England's playbook is insane. A very good chunk of the time, they aren't even running regular passing trees, it is all WR option routes depending on both where the corner lines up, and what kind of coverage it is.
Manning's old Colts system was pretty out there too. Manning would basically call his own plays, with the option of audibling to a stretch run to either side.
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#2 He is far and away better than Rapistburger and Eli manning. No questions asked.
Eli was very, very good last year. If he puts up similar numbers this year, he'll be entering elite QB territory. Ben just has a crazy unique skill set that allows him to get his arse kicked, get out of trouble, and make plays. He doesn't always make the best reads, but it looks good on sportscenter 
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#3 Brees, Brady, Manning, and Rogers all have their arguments in being the number 1 in the game. Rodgers has youth on his side, with one great season. Manning has 26 years of great numbers. Brady had the 1 stellar year with 3 SB wins and 2 other appearances. Brees has had 6 outstanding years with a SB win, and numberous all time records broken. Trying to argue that Rodgers is "hands down" better is such an ignorant assed statement it makes my brain throb.
Wow. All I have to say is wow on that one.
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#4 If we would have had a downright mediocre defense to help Brees in the last 2 years of the playoffs, we may haveanother lombardi or two in our case. That is a God dang fact.
That sounds like an opinion, man.
| | Back to top | | Jcorye1
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| re: Brees isn't an elite QB -- Fox Sports (Posted on 5/27/12 at 4:13 am to beauchristopher)
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didn't Flynn step into that Green Bay system and put up the most passing tds or yards in a game...
Transitive property doesn't work in football.
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didn't matt cassell step into that new england system and take the patriots to an 11 win season and to the playoffs?
That is one hundred percent on Belichick. They completely retooled that offense to suit Cassel's skill set, and honestly tapes really didn't have film on Cassel either. That was also a team that, in the prior year, had gone 16-0 in the regular season.
| | Back to top | | Jcorye1
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| re: Brees isn't an elite QB -- Fox Sports (Posted on 5/27/12 at 4:42 am to beauchristopher)
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beauchristopher
I can't sleep, so I'm going to have fun with your assertions. Picking between Brady, Brees, and Rodgers right now is like having to pick between being god, banging an OT ten, or handing Colin Cowherd his walking papers. You can't go wrong with any of them, and they are all capable of putting a team on their back and marching them to the SB.
That being said, lets attack this one at a time.
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brady is not better than brees. he's just not.
He's just not isn't a great argument.
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manning missed an entire season.. who knows.
Correct, we the fans have no idea what sort of player Peyton is at this point. He could be anywhere from the all-time great future HoFer that he was presurgery, or Chad Pennington 2.0, accurate but no power what so ever.
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brees is nothing but consistently churning out the number 1 offense since day when. he took a 2 win franchise to the nfc championship to the playoffs in his first season. and that team did not make any other upgrades whatsoever.. his best receiver was a nearly undrafted receiver out of hostra.
Lets face facts here. A) That 2005 team was a 3 win team, not a 2 win team. B) 2005 was the season that involved Katrina. A lot of these players had much bigger things on their mind than football, and their home games were being played all over the place. C) 2006 is when Sean Payton was also hired, and he's easily a top 5 coach in the NFL at this point in his career. D) They nailed that year's draft with Reggie, Roman Harper, Jahri Evans (Rob Ninkovich!!!!), and Colston out of Hofstra. The team made vast upgrades, and really just playing home games at the Superdome probably helped.
As for his best player was nearly undrafted... Wes Welker wasn't drafted, Troy Brown was drafted in the eighth round of the 1993 draft, Donald Driver was a seventh round draft pick as well. There are way more examples, but I digress.
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brees then in 2009 had a perfect td to no ints playoff run and was superbowl mvp.
Correct. He had a phenomenal playoff run, which makes sense because he is a phenomenal quarterback. As for the Superbowl MVP, Tom and Eli have two of them, and Peyton has one.
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i dont care if its not fair to compare h2h stats but last i saw.. brees beat all 4 of these bastards h2h.. including brady, manning, big ben, and eli (every fricking time i believe)
Head to heads are retarded arguments, especially when they are not played every single year.
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2006 when he joined the saints no other qb in the entire NFL has more td passes than brees. none. zero. he is number 1. i would say that counts for a ton.
2006 - Brees (26) Brady (24) +2
2007 - Brees (28) Brady (50) -22
2008 - Brees (34) Brady (0) +34... frick YOU BERNARD POLLARD
2009 - Brees (34) Brady (28) +6
2010 - Brees (33) Brady (36) -3
2011 - Brees (46) Brady (39) +7
So if Pollard doesn't destroy Tom's knee in a freak hit, this record gets interesting, especially since Randy Moss was still kicking arse and taking names. Woulda Shoulda Couldas aren't a great argument either though. I'll stick with there's a lot more to being a QB than total touchdowns thrown over a period of time, and honestly with the top tier QBs, its more a usage thing than anything else.
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| re: Brees isn't an elite QB -- Fox Sports (Posted on 5/27/12 at 12:08 pm to TigerBait1127)
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