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re: Captain America
Posted on 5/16/12 at 12:04 pm to Jwodie
Posted on 5/16/12 at 12:04 pm to Jwodie
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He's in essence the polar opposite of CA.
False. Someone doesn't know Wolverine. Polar Opposite is a strong word.
Wolverine outside of the very early and more recent stories (read: most of his 90's run) was one dimensional.
This post was edited on 5/16/12 at 12:07 pm
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Posted on 5/16/12 at 12:09 pm to Jwodie
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I don't think his character or background translates very well to modern times.
That might be the point.
Posted on 5/16/12 at 12:11 pm to Murray
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Here here. So unnecessary.
Good call, why would we want an origin story on the most popular, dark and complex member of the X-Men?
Posted on 5/16/12 at 12:13 pm to Freauxzen
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Wolverine
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one dimensional.
Does not compute.
Posted on 5/16/12 at 12:15 pm to Jwodie
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Good call, why would we want an origin story on the most popular, dark and complex member of the X-Men?
You answered your own question. Sometimes less is more. Wolverine origin is a good example of this.
Posted on 5/16/12 at 12:20 pm to Murray
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Sometimes less is more. Wolverine origin is a good example of this.
The audience's view of the shark in Jaws, or the xenomorph in Alien are good examples of "less is more". Foregoing a movie on, again, the most popular character of the X-Men franchise doesn't really fall under your misplaced use of less is more bub.
Posted on 5/16/12 at 12:23 pm to Jwodie
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Foregoing a movie on, again, the most popular character of the X-Men franchise doesn't really fall under your misplaced use of less is more bub.
They can make plenty of movies without doing that silly origin story.
Look, you liked the origin being told and there's nothing wrong with that. I think Marvels lack of focus on that story is kind of telling of its impact. Most readers just didn't care.
Posted on 5/16/12 at 12:24 pm to Jwodie
If I may pipe in with my 2 cents, a Wolverine origins movie was desired and needed. The Wolverine origins movie we got was not.
I'd probably rate Cap a little higher than Wolverine's movie. I agree with some of the others in that people aren't interested in a campy WW2 story, and Cap's image doesn't resonate with modern audiences. Superman is also going to have issues with this.
I'd probably rate Cap a little higher than Wolverine's movie. I agree with some of the others in that people aren't interested in a campy WW2 story, and Cap's image doesn't resonate with modern audiences. Superman is also going to have issues with this.
Posted on 5/16/12 at 12:30 pm to Murray
CA was one of my favorite pre-Avengers movies and I actually didn't realize there was so much hate for it. He's a different type of superhero whose values are very old-fashioned, which I'm sure can be a turnoff for some people.
Going into CA expecting it to be like Batman would be ridiculous and just setting yourself up for disappointment. They're very different characters with very different tones to their stories.
What others found hokey and stupid, I thought was charming and refreshing. Chris Evans was great as Cap, and I thought the supporting characters were all spot-on too. Particularly Hugo Weaving.
It was just a fun, throwback kinda movie that didn't try to be dark or gritty for the sake of trying to be more than it was.
Going into CA expecting it to be like Batman would be ridiculous and just setting yourself up for disappointment. They're very different characters with very different tones to their stories.
What others found hokey and stupid, I thought was charming and refreshing. Chris Evans was great as Cap, and I thought the supporting characters were all spot-on too. Particularly Hugo Weaving.
It was just a fun, throwback kinda movie that didn't try to be dark or gritty for the sake of trying to be more than it was.
Posted on 5/16/12 at 12:33 pm to Augustus
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I actually didn't realize there was so much hate for it
I guess I should comment on the CA movie since that's what the threads about.
I agree about not realizing about the hate. I think IM ranked a good bit higher but I enjoyed CA more than Thor and IM2. Not quite sure what people expected going in.
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It was just a fun, throwback kinda movie that didn't try to be dark or gritty for the sake of trying to be more than it was.
Yep
Posted on 5/16/12 at 12:43 pm to Murray
Id rank it above Iron Man 2. I wasn't impressed with it at all. Besides Rourke, the rest was whatever. Plus, isn't this liek 2 movies in a row where Iron Man has essentially had to fight against a better version of himself to win? It iannoys me when movies do that. Like every single Spiderman has to end with him rescuing MJ from some villain. No it doesn't.
Posted on 5/16/12 at 12:48 pm to Jwodie
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Good call, why would we want an origin story on the most popular, dark and complex member of the X-Men?
Ok that just made me laugh. Fact: The 10 minute intro for magneto in First Class was darker and more complex than the entirety of Wolverine Origins.
Posted on 5/16/12 at 12:59 pm to Freauxzen
Look I get the hokiness of it all considering CA was a propaganda rah rah character of the era, and I get the movie was trying to go for that feel, but still, the movie was just not entertaining or interesting. I didn't care about any of the characters. Not every comic book movie has to be dark, but a comic movie shouldn't be boring either, and that's what I found Captain America to be.
This post was edited on 5/16/12 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 5/16/12 at 12:59 pm to Augustus
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CA was one of my favorite pre-Avengers movies and I actually didn't realize there was so much hate for it. He's a different type of superhero whose values are very old-fashioned, which I'm sure can be a turnoff for some people.
Going into CA expecting it to be like Batman would be ridiculous and just setting yourself up for disappointment. They're very different characters with very different tones to their stories.
What others found hokey and stupid, I thought was charming and refreshing. Chris Evans was great as Cap, and I thought the supporting characters were all spot-on too. Particularly Hugo Weaving.
It was just a fun, throwback kinda movie that didn't try to be dark or gritty for the sake of trying to be more than it was.
This.
Posted on 5/16/12 at 1:05 pm to UnluckyTiger
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Look I get the hokeyness of it all considering CA was a propaganda rah rah character of the era, and I get the movie was trying to go for that feel, but still, the movie was just not entertaining or interesting. I didn't care about any of the characters. Not every comic book movie has to be dark, but a comic movie shouldn't be boring either, and that's what I found Captain America to be.
That is a lot different than:
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holy shite was this movie terrible.
Which is what a lot of people were reacting to.
Posted on 5/16/12 at 1:47 pm to UnluckyTiger
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Look I get the hokiness of it all considering CA was a propaganda rah rah character of the era, and I get the movie was trying to go for that feel, but still, the movie was just not entertaining or interesting. I didn't care about any of the characters. Not every comic book movie has to be dark, but a comic movie shouldn't be boring either, and that's what I found Captain America to be.
This, big time.
I didn't really enjoy CA at all (partly because it was kinda boring and partly because I wasn't expecting alien nazi creatures). I will say that I didn't think Thor was great either, and I've always said the Iron Man movies were overrated (well, the first one moreso, which I liked, but not near as much as everyone else). Also, I'll throw out that I fricking LOVED the Wolverine origins movie...it was far better than I expected it to be.
Now, having said all that, I watch and approach all of these movies from a purely "movie-watching entertainment" perspective. I've never read any of the comics, so the "hits" or "misses" of the movies in relation to the comics don't affect me in the least, as I have almost no connection to the characters outside of the movies.
Posted on 5/16/12 at 1:53 pm to CocomoLSU
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I didn't really enjoy CA at all (partly because it was kinda boring and partly because I wasn't expecting alien nazi creatures). I will say that I didn't think Thor was great either, and I've always said the Iron Man movies were overrated (well, the first one moreso, which I liked, but not near as much as everyone else). Also, I'll throw out that I fricking LOVED the Wolverine origins movie...it was far better than I expected it to be.
Listens as tumbleweed rolls across empty street.
Posted on 5/16/12 at 1:56 pm to alajones
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Listens as tumbleweed rolls across empty street.
Do those make noise?
And I'm honestly not trolling at all. CA just isn't a movie I enjoyed. I didn't hate it, I just didn't particularly like it either.
Posted on 5/16/12 at 1:58 pm to CocomoLSU
quote:I guess I was listening to the wind. I don't think you are trolling at all. I thought CA wasn't all that but I enjoyed it. I was more commenting on you saying you disliked almost all the pre-Avenge rmovies but then went and said how awesome Wolverine was.
Do those make noise?
And I'm honestly not trolling at all. CA just isn't a movie I enjoyed. I didn't hate it, I just didn't particularly like it either.
I'm closing my shutters now.
Posted on 5/16/12 at 2:09 pm to CocomoLSU
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Now, having said all that, I watch and approach all of these movies from a purely "movie-watching entertainment" perspective. I've never read any of the comics, so the "hits" or "misses" of the movies in relation to the comics don't affect me in the least, as I have almost no connection to the characters outside of the movies.
From what I see, lots of people who are into comics seem to like CA. Not exactly sure why this is. I suppose people that don't read comics, like yourself, are looking for something entirely different than ones who do. Like me, the Wolverine movie was a shitfest. They fricked up so much shite in that movie.
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