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DrVinnyBoombatz 
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| re: Relocation for the Rays after their lease is up with Tropicana crap field? (Posted on 5/11/12 at 12:27 pm to Rohan2Reed)
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Just saw they're paying Holland through 2016. That's a long contract based on "potential."
He had a dominant 2nd half last year. It is a bit risky, but he is a lefty who can throw 95+ and hasn't been pitching long.
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Also, Beltre is making a frick ton of money through 2016 as well.
Something like $96 million. And Kinsler is at $75 million. I see the Rangers eventually settling anywhere from $150 million to a $175 million payroll.
They were 1 strike away with a weaker rotation/bullpen last year, once the playoffs start anything can happen. Plus, their lineup is the best in baseball.
But hopefully Yu can be dominant, which he has showed flashes of.
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Rohan2Reed
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| re: Relocation for the Rays after their lease is up with Tropicana crap field? (Posted on 5/11/12 at 12:29 pm to DrVinnyBoombatz)
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I see the Rangers eventually settling anywhere from $150 million to a $175 million payroll
Jesus Christ man.
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| re: Relocation for the Rays after their lease is up with Tropicana crap field? (Posted on 5/11/12 at 12:31 pm to DrVinnyBoombatz)
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Something like $96 million. And Kinsler is at $75 million. I see the Rangers eventually settling anywhere from $150 million to a $175 million payroll.
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Buying championships!!!!!
Edit: Buying championship appearances*
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DrVinnyBoombatz
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| re: Relocation for the Rays after their lease is up with Tropicana crap field? (Posted on 5/11/12 at 12:31 pm to Rohan2Reed)
Hey, they are at $120 million right now. They jumped up almost $30 million from last year and they still have the supposed $3 billion tv-contract that will kick in the next couple of years. Also, Nolan and the ownership has hinted towards a higher payroll because of all the FA the team has.
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M Le Rip
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| re: Relocation for the Rays after their lease is up with Tropicana crap field? (Posted on 5/11/12 at 12:32 pm to Rohan2Reed)
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But you also have to factor in that you would probably lose a certain amount of Rays fans from St. Pete who would then refuse to drive to Tampa for a game. Not sure what the offset would be. I'm sure a lot more people from the eastern part of the area would go to games though. And a lot of folks live over near Bradenton, etc.
This is a really interesting point. I'm trying to think of examples of this backfiring--ie, moving within the same tv market but still losing a lot of your fans.
The Rams are the most obvious example I can think of, but I can't think of anymore, unless you count the Nets, who are moving about 12 miles as the crow flies, but that's a really long 12 miles. The Cowboys, Lakers, NY Giants, Jets, Marlins, Clippers (well...), Redskins, Lions, and Pistons have all moved to different towns within their market, but I don't think any of their fan bases took any significant hits because of it. Am I missing any?
Really interesting sub-topic, brother. 
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DrVinnyBoombatz
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| re: Relocation for the Rays after their lease is up with Tropicana crap field? (Posted on 5/11/12 at 12:33 pm to Srbtiger06)
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Buying championships!!!!!
Nah, just having their payroll reflect their market size, which DFW is a top 5 market in the nation.
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| re: Relocation for the Rays after their lease is up with Tropicana crap field? (Posted on 5/11/12 at 12:35 pm to bunky)
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We don't need any more texas baseball teams.
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Srbtiger06
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| re: Relocation for the Rays after their lease is up with Tropicana crap field? (Posted on 5/11/12 at 12:46 pm to DrVinnyBoombatz)
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Nah, just having their payroll reflect their market size, which DFW is a top 5 market in the nation.
So that excuse only works against the Yankees?
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| re: Relocation for the Rays after their lease is up with Tropicana crap field? (Posted on 5/11/12 at 12:46 pm to BayouBengals03)
The only market I can see baseball working that doesn't have a team is Portland. Baseball's basically maxed out at this point. There's a reason baseball's only had one relocation in the last 40 years and Montreal was just such an enormous mess towards the end that the team had no choice to be moved. There also was a viable market available in D.C. It's really pointless to move any team at this point unless they have some all kinds of issues like Montreal did. Besides, I think a lot of the problems would be solved if they built a retractable dome stadium in Tampa instead of sleepy St. Petersburg. Baseball's just not meant to be played indoors. It's not a coincidence that some of the most prominent teams with bad attendance for good teams (Expos, Early '00s Twins, current Rays) played their home games in a dome.
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DrVinnyBoombatz
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| re: Relocation for the Rays after their lease is up with Tropicana crap field? (Posted on 5/11/12 at 12:51 pm to Srbtiger06)
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So that excuse only works against the Yankees?
The only reason people say that is because they spend so much more then everyone else. The Yankees at one point were spending $80 million more then the next highest payroll. That is insane. They have started to scale down, or rather, teams have started to catch up lately though. Ive never had a problem with it because they can and are allowed to do it, but it is quite amusing to see them fail.
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Bacciagaloop 
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| re: Relocation for the Rays after their lease is up with Tropicana crap field? (Posted on 5/11/12 at 1:53 pm to Moustache)
Why was I under the impression that the lease is for like another 20-30 years for the Trop... is that incorrect?
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big Tiger 1885 
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| re: Relocation for the Rays after their lease is up with Tropicana crap field? (Posted on 5/11/12 at 1:57 pm to SeattleTiger19)
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Be nice to see some new cities get a club. I would say New Orleans but they are up and down with the Hornets. Memphis may be able to support a big league franchise. Portland, Salt Lake City may be worth a try in baseball.
The problem with NOLA and the Hornets was Shinn, then Katrina, then Shinn again. The team was good when it first came and had pretty good support, but then they fell off. I don't care what sport it is when a team is as bad as it was in 2004 no one is going to show up. Then Katrina came, in 2007 when they come back they had good support but then Shinn fricked up the team.
NOLA could absolutely support a pro baseball team. A lot of small cities could baseball just needs to adopt a revenue sharing and salary cap so team such as the Rays can compete without going bankrupt.
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| re: Relocation for the Rays after their lease is up with Tropicana crap field? (Posted on 5/11/12 at 2:17 pm to big Tiger 1885)
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A lot of small cities could baseball just needs to adopt a revenue sharing and salary cap so team such as the Rays can compete without going bankrupt.
That's never going to happen. The money top teams get from local TV revenue absolutely destroys what they make from national TV revenue which is not the case in other sports. The Yankees get annual revenues of over $300 million a year from YES alone. You think they're going to give that up to prop up a team in a market that has no history of supporting a MLB team? And who do you think MLB will listen to more regarding these issues: The Yankees or some small market teams where nobody goes to the games and cause their national TV ratings to tank?
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big Tiger 1885
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| re: Relocation for the Rays after their lease is up with Tropicana crap field? (Posted on 5/11/12 at 2:21 pm to Unbiased Bama Fan)
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That's never going to happen. The money top teams get from local TV revenue absolutely destroys what they make from national TV revenue which is not the case in other sports. The Yankees get annual revenues of over $300 million a year from YES alone. You think they're going to give that up to prop up a team in a market that has no history of supporting a MLB team? And who do you think MLB will listen to more regarding these issues: The Yankees or some small market teams where nobody goes to the games and cause their national TV ratings to tank?
I know it is never going to happen thats why MLB will never regain it's place as the best sports league.
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| re: Relocation for the Rays after their lease is up with Tropicana crap field? (Posted on 5/11/12 at 2:24 pm to big Tiger 1885)
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I know it is never going to happen thats why MLB will never regain it's place as the best sports league.
That's what's stopping MLB from being the top sport in America? Lack of small-market team support? Hardly. Baseball is behind football because the personalities and interests of the American public has changed over the years. Baseball is "boring" and "slow" to the casual sports fan now.
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| re: Relocation for the Rays after their lease is up with Tropicana crap field? (Posted on 5/11/12 at 2:25 pm to big Tiger 1885)
How about Charlotte? Sports teams need corporations to survive, which Charlotte has a few of.
Nashville maybe.
Both are Braves towns and may be an issue.
I cant see any other city being feasible.
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| re: Relocation for the Rays after their lease is up with Tropicana crap field? (Posted on 5/11/12 at 2:44 pm to big Tiger 1885)
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I know it is never going to happen thats why MLB will never regain it's place as the best sports league.
The problem is people complain about the salary cap but when small market teams are doing well and playing in the World Series, they don't watch the games. The Rays/Phillies WS got the worst ratings ever for a World Series when they played. When the Yankees played the Phillies in 2009, Fox and MLB saw a massive 40% increase in ratings from the previous year. The following year, the Giants played the Rangers in the World Series and there was a massive drop in ratings. What kind of message does that send? If MLB caters to the small-market teams, their TV ratings will be abysmal. If they cater to the Yankees and Red Sox, their ratings will be terrific. If more people were tuning in to watch these small-market teams, maybe we'll see a salary cap like football. Until then, it doesn't make much sense NOT to cater to the big market teams.
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