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| re: Will Romney, if elected, really do anything to get our financial house in order? (Posted on 5/2/12 at 8:33 pm to Draconian Sanctions)
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Yeah I mean I would put my feelings on social issues aside for the most part if there was an candidate that I really was convinced had a legitimate and realistic plan to put us back on solid footing, even if I didn't necessarily agree with the means of that plan.
IMO, this is the only way to approach any election. Social on the side, economic at the forefront.
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| re: Will Romney, if elected, really do anything to get our financial house in order? (Posted on 5/2/12 at 8:54 pm to ottothewise)
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wants a Ryan-style voucher to replace the medicare system.
God, you are just so dense.
What part of Ryan's plan, which allows you to either stay on traditional Medicare -- as requested by a Democrat (Sen. Rob Wyden) -- or move to a voucher-type system is so difficult for you to grasp? For the love of God, do some research for once.
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| re: Will Romney, if elected, really do anything to get our financial house in order? (Posted on 5/2/12 at 9:02 pm to Joe Joe Joe)
Joe
the voucher is not difficult for me at all.
you will get a fixed amount. medical expenses are going to rise.
your fixed amount wont pay the bills when you are older.
let us know that you understand that much. if so we can have a real consideration without your undeserved wisecracks presuming you are the holder of all wisdom.
I doubt it. SO let's go.
What do old people on socialist security do to pay for their medical bills after Romney's voucher is SPENT?
Romney is for the voucher. Ryan is for a voucher but had to express its value in dollars (to write a bill). Romney not yet. Hoping to get a pass. he's for a secret value, known only to his friends.
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| re: Will Romney, if elected, really do anything to get our financial house in order? (Posted on 5/2/12 at 9:05 pm to ottothewise)
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Democrats suspect that Representative Paul Ryan proposed a tax overhaul in his 2013 budget to camouflage a politically foolhardy Medicare privatization plan. They have it backward: Ryan’s Medicare proposal is getting better with each pass.
It’s his tax plan that seems slapdash, lacking important details, including who would pay more and who less, that would allow us to judge its merits.
So we’ll focus on Ryan’s Medicare blueprint for now. It remains a work in progress, but with further tweaking has the potential to be truly transformative. It could begin to stop the growth of health-care costs, the U.S.’s toughest challenge in a generation. And it shows that the Wisconsin Republican continues to be his party’s boldest policy thinker.
Ryan’s first offer on Medicare (USBOMDCR) reform a year ago would have turned it into a voucher-like system, called premium support. In essence, rather than pay seniors’ doctor and hospital bills, as the government does now, it would subsidize each older American’s purchase of a health plan from a menu of options. (The new system would begin only when people now under age 55 retire and qualify for Medicare.)
The problem with the old Ryan plan was that annual increases in the premium support would have been capped at the rate of inflation -- a steep cut considering that Medicare costs have grown about 8 percent annually for the last 15 years. Eventually, the failure of the subsidy to keep pace with health- care inflation would have saddled seniors with unbearable out- of-pocket costs.
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take note that what happens is that with each attempt, Ryan is smacked alongside the head by public opinion and has to run back to his rat hole and try again.
If the public and Democrats had gone along with the first Ryan bill out of the gate, the seniors would have eaten the difference.
its always about WHOSE OX IS BEING GORED.
Dems want the very richest to pay more.
Romney and Ryan want the poorest to pay more, which is why we have the thread in which Catholic bishops of the USA are opposed to Ryans attempts, so far.
This post was edited on 5/2 at 9:07 pm
| | Back to top | | Joe Joe Joe
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| re: Will Romney, if elected, really do anything to get our financial house in order? (Posted on 5/2/12 at 9:20 pm to ottothewise)
Jesus, where to even begin with this nonsense..
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let us know that you understand that much. if so we can have a real consideration without your undeserved wisecracks presuming you are the holder of all wisdom.
Because I point out the flaws in your baseless comments and arguments? I don't pretend to be "all-knowing" like yourself. I actually research things and try to understand their effects before I speak about them. I don't just copy and paste talking points from The Huffington Post or Slate.
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What do old people on socialist security do to pay for their medical bills after Romney's voucher is SPENT?
Do you understand at all the effects that a premium support plan has on the market? Also, I'd love to hear your justifications for keeping Medicare as it currently exists seeing as costs are skyrocketing and liabilities owed will increase exponentially within the next two decades.
All we ever hear from you and DA is snide comments about how terrible the Republican plans are without ever offering anything of substance or a counter-argument outside the scope of "higher taxes" and "fair share." Your inability to articulate, let alone advance a counter-argument, doesn't speak well towards your alleged 188 IQ.
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he's for a secret value, known only to his friends.
Not going to dignify this stupidity with a legitimate response.
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Dems want the very richest to pay more.
Romney and Ryan want the poorest to pay more, which is why we have the thread in which Catholic bishops of the USA are opposed to Ryans attempts, so far.
So you provide a link and must've simply stopped reading after the first paragraph because your article then says this:
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Ryan would means-test Medicare by subsidizing the poor more and the wealthy less.
Ignoring the fact that you are shifting from a discussion on Medicare to a broader discussion on tax policy, I'll again stand by my assertion that you literally have no idea what you are talking about.
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| re: Will Romney, if elected, really do anything to get our financial house in order? (Posted on 5/2/12 at 9:33 pm to coloradoBengal)
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And there is no way Romney, or even Ron Paul, could fix things in a real way, if they took over the Oval Office tomorrow.
Anyone that thinks otherwise is kidding themselves.
CO bengal
what would it take, in your opinion?
wave your magic wand.
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| re: Will Romney, if elected, really do anything to get our financial house in order? (Posted on 5/2/12 at 9:43 pm to Draconian Sanctions)
How can anyone possibly know what Romney will do or what he stands for? Seriously, the guy has become an utter cipher . . .
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| re: Will Romney, if elected, really do anything to get our financial house in order? (Posted on 5/2/12 at 9:48 pm to VOR)
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How can anyone possibly know what Romney will do or what he stands for? Seriously, the guy has become an utter cipher . . .
I'm starting to almost see this as intriguing, much more so than being some sort of liability. I mean, at this point, what the hell?
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| re: Will Romney, if elected, really do anything to get our financial house in order? (Posted on 5/2/12 at 10:04 pm to Draconian Sanctions)
I don't necessarily have an opinion on socialism but Obama definitely is a socialist. People disputing that just don't like the terminology. That's not just right wing propaganda speak.
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| re: Will Romney, if elected, really do anything to get our financial house in order? (Posted on 5/2/12 at 10:24 pm to ottothewise)
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wave your magic wand.
1. Massive decreases in federal regulations. The cost is absolutely staggering. Everything from energy, to pharma, to farming. Entrepreneurship can not thrive under such stifling restrictions.
2. Massive overhaul in how we treat intellectual property. The greatest advances in science in human history, have always involved scientists building on each other's work. This changed dramatically in this century.
3. Stop being the world's police force. Maintain dominance of the skies and the seas. Gut the remaining "Cold War" relic apparatus. Institute a civilian defense force, similar to what the Swiss have, but on a volunteer basis.
4. End the war on drugs. End the police state. Enforce civil liberties and private property rights with federal clout.
5. End medicaid/medicare. Privatize social security. Reform the medical insurance industry to allow free trade across state lines. Let's grow some damn competition here.
6. Reform the tax code. (Hold on to your hat...) End income tax. End capital gains tax. End corporate taxes. End estate taxes. Institute a federal "Land Value Tax" (look it up), and utilize natural resource royalties, for the bulk of federal revenue.
7. End the Dept's of Education, Labor, and HUD. Hybrid/blend and drastically reduce the scope of the Energy, Interior, and Commerce. End the FDA, the EPA, the Dept of HS, the ATD, the DEA, the USDA.
8. Implement and enforce sensible border security. Open the borders and encourage workers, both professional and skilled, to come to this country and make us stronger.
THIS^^^^ is what's required to rebuild the US into an economic juggernaut, instead of an imperial one.... and its all politically impossible.
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| re: Will Romney, if elected, really do anything to get our financial house in order? (Posted on 5/2/12 at 10:38 pm to Draconian Sanctions)
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I'm not convinced that he's any different than Bush or Obama.
He isn't.
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