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Attendance since 2007
Posted on 4/21/12 at 9:03 pm
Posted on 4/21/12 at 9:03 pm
NOt trying to shite on the Hornets because I love them in NOLA, but everyone keeps saying that they do pretty good for an NBA team. But I was just on espn and the attendance figures for every year since 2007 they were in the bottom half of the league. 2007 was the only exception (15th. LINK
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Posted on 4/21/12 at 9:05 pm to big Tiger 1885
Does selling an extra 2,000 of the $12 season ticket packages really mean that much? We do a decent enough job with club seats, suites, and sponsorships. One sponsorship more than makes up for 2,000 unsold cheap season tickets.
Plus it seems to me that the Hornets don't "fluff" their attendance numbers as much as most NBA teams (Raptors, Hawks, Bucks, Bobcats, Nets) - all of these arenas seem to be emptier than ours on the reg.
Plus it seems to me that the Hornets don't "fluff" their attendance numbers as much as most NBA teams (Raptors, Hawks, Bucks, Bobcats, Nets) - all of these arenas seem to be emptier than ours on the reg.
This post was edited on 4/21/12 at 9:06 pm
Posted on 4/21/12 at 9:05 pm to big Tiger 1885
O really?
Posted on 4/21/12 at 9:07 pm to big Tiger 1885
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they were in the bottom half of the league.
They are a small market. They will likely always be in the bottom half of the league when they aren't contenders. That's why they have to be set up like the Saints where government inducements help make up for the small market. The Saints are a bottom 3 market but middle of the pack or higher for revenue. Hornets should be the same way after all the new lease/CBA/New Cable Deal/I'm In campaign/etc.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Hornets had an extra $20 - $30 million per year in revenue vs. 2010 once all the new stuff kicks in. And on top of all that new revenue there is the removal of the expense of Shinn's debt which cost the team about $10 million per year. The business side of things looks as rosy as ever from what I can see.
This post was edited on 4/21/12 at 9:10 pm
Posted on 4/21/12 at 9:12 pm to JayJay2
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Okay thanks.
You're welcome
Posted on 4/21/12 at 9:16 pm to big Tiger 1885
your not going to pack an arena every night for 41 games, especially when your not a playoff team
Posted on 4/21/12 at 9:16 pm to big Tiger 1885
yeah, now go back and sort it by % filled, and you will see a different story
Posted on 4/21/12 at 9:16 pm to big Tiger 1885
The Arena is also smaller than most in the NBA, the number is better every year if you look at %.
Posted on 4/21/12 at 9:21 pm to saintsfan22
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The Arena is also smaller than most in the NBA, the number is better every year if you look at %
Thats good I don't care Im just new to the board and saw those stats and everyone kept saying the Hornets do good and I was like wtf?
Posted on 4/21/12 at 10:11 pm to big Tiger 1885
It's never going to be up to par but keep getting in the playoffs and contending and I could care less I'm happy!
Posted on 4/21/12 at 10:11 pm to Bduhon55
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Im just new to the board
welcome to the board
Posted on 4/22/12 at 12:01 am to realtalk
If the Hornets sold out every game their attendance would still be significantly lower than teams like Dallas that hold almost 20,000.
Posted on 4/22/12 at 8:30 am to big Tiger 1885
If the Hornets sold out every game, they would barely make the top ten in attendance. The "official" sellout is a little over 18,000. The N.O.Arena just isn't as big as some arenas around the league.
If N.O. cracks the top half of the league in attendance for a season, that's damned good accomplishment.
If N.O. cracks the top half of the league in attendance for a season, that's damned good accomplishment.
Posted on 4/22/12 at 8:54 am to quail man
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yeah, now go back and sort it by % filled, and you will see a different story
This is a very weak argument. You don't sell percentages. You sell tickets. Until you reach capacity, limited supply is not going to increase revenue.
Posted on 4/22/12 at 8:58 am to Jester
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This is a very weak argument. You don't sell percentages. You sell tickets. Until you reach capacity, limited supply is not going to increase revenue.
Yeah, the percentage argument only has limited value to the extent the "final" percentage is made up shitty tickets that are the last to go. But, yeah, 10,000 seats are 10,000 seats. The fact remains, however, that if the N.O. franchise averages somewhere in the middle of the pack, it's pretty damned well for a season in market this size. The franchise and the league would be very happy with that.
Posted on 4/22/12 at 10:41 pm to TigerinATL
The only thing attendance shows is support for the team. Y'all are always making these financial/business assumptions about the Hornets and NBA teams and they're simply inaccurate. NBA franchises (and overwhelmingly most sports franchises in general) are not profitable enterprises, they're just not. I have seen multiple pro sports franchises (in all 4 major sports) financials through work, so I'm not speaking out of my arse here. I would imagine most people here would expect the Spurs (and the Rockets) are more profitable or simply better businesses because they operate in larger markets and have been relatively successful, particularly with the Spurs. I can personally attest to you that the Spurs financial condition is as bad, if not worse, than the Hornets, and that's for a team operating in a much larger market that has won multiple championships in the last decade. I say this all the time and it bears repeating all the time: people don't own sports franchises because they make money off of their operations, they own them because they're rich and they want to own a sports team (see: Dodgers sale and new owner comments). The only financial gain on a sports franchise is its exit value, because there's always another millionaire willing to pay up to own an expensive toy.
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