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re: High School Pitching Duel
Posted on 4/17/12 at 10:27 pm to mametoo
Posted on 4/17/12 at 10:27 pm to mametoo
I want to see an actual scientific study of how many pitches is too many.
The 100 bullshite is exactly that, bullshite. Guys back in the 20s, 30s etc. etc. etc. never had pitch counts and they lasted years and years.
I'm not saying young kids should be throwing that many, but speaking to the subject in general.
The 100 bullshite is exactly that, bullshite. Guys back in the 20s, 30s etc. etc. etc. never had pitch counts and they lasted years and years.
I'm not saying young kids should be throwing that many, but speaking to the subject in general.
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Posted on 4/17/12 at 10:57 pm to OBUDan
I'd like to see a study too. Seems I read something about arm problems being due to not taking any time off. In the 20s and 30s there was an actual off season. Now kids are starting to throw curve balls and sliders year round at at very young age and there is no recovery time. I believe Tim Hudson was quoted saying his arm felt great after his TJ surgery and a big part of that was just the amount of rest his arm got. But who knows...
Posted on 4/18/12 at 7:59 am to OBUDan
The below is from Dr. James Andrews' group. He is the top expert we have in the field:
"Multivariate analysis identified the most significant risk factors for high school and college pitcher injury and need for surgery as: an increased risk of 500% for pitching greater than 8 months per year, 400% for pitching greater than 80 pitches per game, and over 250% for a fastball greater than 85 mph. When regularly pitching despite arm fatigue, the risk for injury requiring surgery increased 3600%. This one factor - fatigue - had the strongest correlation with subsequent arm surgery."
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"Multivariate analysis identified the most significant risk factors for high school and college pitcher injury and need for surgery as: an increased risk of 500% for pitching greater than 8 months per year, 400% for pitching greater than 80 pitches per game, and over 250% for a fastball greater than 85 mph. When regularly pitching despite arm fatigue, the risk for injury requiring surgery increased 3600%. This one factor - fatigue - had the strongest correlation with subsequent arm surgery."
LINK
This post was edited on 4/18/12 at 8:04 am
Posted on 4/18/12 at 8:29 am to OBUDan
I would say a lot of factors go into a pitcher's pitch count. I.E. genetics, pitcher specific training, recovery time, type of pitches, velocity, etc. I know when ZVR pitched for Zachary, he had a higher pitch count than all of the other pitchers. He would almost never be sore after a complete game, his genetics were above average, his velocity was 88-90 mph, and the coaches work the pitchers on a different training program than the other position players.
I watched the kid for Franklinton in the '08 ZHS-FHS playoff game pitch for the third time in about a week and by the 4th-5th inning the kid had to walk around the mound with the ball, stall, and collect himself to throw another pitch. The rumored pitch count was 300 for the 3 playoff games.
Lots of factors go into a "pitch count".
I watched the kid for Franklinton in the '08 ZHS-FHS playoff game pitch for the third time in about a week and by the 4th-5th inning the kid had to walk around the mound with the ball, stall, and collect himself to throw another pitch. The rumored pitch count was 300 for the 3 playoff games.
Lots of factors go into a "pitch count".
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