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re: If you could change the game of soccer...?
Posted on 3/26/12 at 6:39 pm to ohiovol
Posted on 3/26/12 at 6:39 pm to ohiovol
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2. The away goals tiebreaker: Say what you want about penalties, but I really hate the away goals tiebreaker. To me, the idea that two teams can tie twice and have one declared the winner is insanity to me. If you can't figure out a three game series, I'd rather see them resort to penalties or figure something else out.
I don't agree. The away goal, I've always thought, is a pretty good thing and really exciting.
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3. Crack down on diving: I don't think I have to explain this one.
I'm sure refs are more aware of this, unless you are suggesting game suspensions as punishment or something.
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4. Goal line technology: This would be easier with a clock that counts down, but it would help eliminate some controversy.
Maybe but the extra refs implemented in the higher competitions is good enough for now.
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5. Head to head tiebreaker: I think they already do this in La Liga, but I think I would prefer to see this over goal differential as the first tiebreaker for both leagues and group play in tournaments or qualification.
Either works for me.
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Posted on 3/26/12 at 6:40 pm to TheMuffinMan
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increasing scoring. . .would make victories more indicative of superior play.
I'm just not sold on this logic at all. I follow basketball more than any other sport aside from soccer and there's as many upsets if not more in basketball where teams score 30-40 times a game on average. Increased scoring makes upsets by "hot shooting" teams even more common.
Are there really less "upsets" in the Bundesliga and Dutch leagues where they already score 15-30% more per match respectively?
I just disagree with the basic premise that more scoring automatically rewards the better teams.
This post was edited on 3/26/12 at 6:43 pm
Posted on 3/26/12 at 6:56 pm to wm72
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I'm just not sold on this logic at all. I follow basketball more than any other sport aside from soccer and there's as many upsets if not more in basketball where teams score 30-40 times a game on average. Increased scoring makes upsets by "hot shooting" teams even more common.
The reason for this is not because of less scoring. Teams get upsets in spite of more scoring. Think about it....how much easier is it to be leading a better team at halftime than to actually beat them? Much easier.
The reason basketball is upset prone is because a)the 3 point line and b)there aren't huge discrepancies in shooting ability across the spectrum of play. An average team(LSU) has guys that are more than capable of shooting over 50 percent if they get hot.
The more points is the only way the sport would work. If it was a game to 5, it would be a total crapshoot.
Posted on 3/26/12 at 7:13 pm to TheSexecutioner
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TheSexecutioner
Yeah, I do see what you're saying about basketball. I suppose it wasn't great example.
However, I'm still not convinced by the "more scoring will limit upsets in soccer" logic. The Dutch and German leagues probably already have the type scoring averages that slightly larger goals could create in the MLS and I'd guess there are the same % of wins/draws against the run of play in those leagues as Serie A and Ligue 1.
In fact, I really don't see occasional wins/draws against the run of play being an issue in the least in soccer. Just seems that they don't happen any more often than in any other sport.
Maybe it would be more exciting if heavy favorites were actually slightly easier to upset than vice versa. CL would certainly not have so many duds.
This post was edited on 3/26/12 at 7:16 pm
Posted on 3/26/12 at 7:17 pm to wm72
And in basketball, there is more or less a shot opportunity every possession. Some are terrible and low percentage, but in soccer a team with an inability to create chances gets very few shots in a game. If a team shoots uncharacteristically well in a basketball game it can do damage based on the number of shots they take. But if a terrible soccer team shoots well in a game but can't create many shots, they might not even score a goal.
To joey barton: I am not concerned with making sure good teams drop games to inferior opponents. I love upsets, but I love them because they typically mean something. If Real Madrid outplays Valencia for 85 minutes and is up 1-0 then a terrible call and a deflection off the wall on the resulting free kick equalizes for Valencia, I don't see why you would relish the fact that Madrid is dropping points. Finishing obviously matters, so "outplaying" an opponent can still result in a loss if one team capitalizes on the rare chance they get, but I would rather the result more closely represent the chance creation/chance prevention of each team. If Sunderland goes into Old Trafford and spanks ManU up and down the pitch I would thoroughly enjoy the upset, but I don't think a controversial result can be justified by saying that it stole points from the favorite.
To joey barton: I am not concerned with making sure good teams drop games to inferior opponents. I love upsets, but I love them because they typically mean something. If Real Madrid outplays Valencia for 85 minutes and is up 1-0 then a terrible call and a deflection off the wall on the resulting free kick equalizes for Valencia, I don't see why you would relish the fact that Madrid is dropping points. Finishing obviously matters, so "outplaying" an opponent can still result in a loss if one team capitalizes on the rare chance they get, but I would rather the result more closely represent the chance creation/chance prevention of each team. If Sunderland goes into Old Trafford and spanks ManU up and down the pitch I would thoroughly enjoy the upset, but I don't think a controversial result can be justified by saying that it stole points from the favorite.
Posted on 3/26/12 at 7:26 pm to TheMuffinMan
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TheMuffinMan
As far as more scoring rewarding the more dominant side, I'd be interested to see how much the 1 extra goal per match in the Eredivisie has translated to less teams dropping points against the run of play than in Serie A or the EPL.
Posted on 3/26/12 at 7:45 pm to TheMuffinMan
I agree with you in that instance.
The problem I have with it is that Real Madrid and Barcelona almost always create a greater number of closer chances (This is my opinion. I don't have the statistics to back this up) than their opponent. If they very rarely drop points, then there is very little resolution in the league table.
The problem I have with it is that Real Madrid and Barcelona almost always create a greater number of closer chances (This is my opinion. I don't have the statistics to back this up) than their opponent. If they very rarely drop points, then there is very little resolution in the league table.
Posted on 3/27/12 at 7:37 am to joey barton
That is true, but I think the goal should be for the sport to reward good play first and foremost and the problem of league parity should get addressed in terms of salary cap regulations, transfer fee limits, and other rules so that rich teams don't field "superteams." But if a team plays that much better than everyone else, the results should show it. Not that I think they don't now, bc over a season everything works out. I just think each result could be more indicative of superior play than it currently is
Posted on 3/27/12 at 7:53 am to TheMuffinMan
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If you could change the game of soccer...?
I've changed my mind, my only answer now is central americans are no longer allowed to play or ref.
Posted on 3/27/12 at 7:58 am to Jumbeauxlaya
or breathe
Posted on 3/27/12 at 8:02 am to DestrehanTiger
And of course by "play" I mean punch our players in the face.
Seems to be what they consider playing soccer.
Seems to be what they consider playing soccer.
This post was edited on 3/27/12 at 8:02 am
Posted on 3/27/12 at 8:20 am to ohiovol
salary caps and luxury taxes on the biggest European clubs
Posted on 3/27/12 at 9:41 am to TheSexecutioner
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So are you in favor of shrinking the goals? What makes you so sure that they have hit the perfect sweet spot?
The best argument that I can conceive of is that changing the goal size would change the standards of judging past players to current players....... Nobody would know how Messi compares to Pele, even against their respective competition.
No, i'm in favor of keeping it the same as is because it works.
Do you want to make a basketball rim larger, an endzone 20 yards? ... Why change something that works?
This post was edited on 3/27/12 at 9:42 am
Posted on 3/27/12 at 9:46 am to GeorgeTheGreek
Alright, I'm changing my mind.
Ban El Salvador first, then get Atlanta the MLS team.
Ban El Salvador first, then get Atlanta the MLS team.
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