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Advice on starting an Engineering firm

Posted on 2/25/12 at 11:45 pm
Posted by NorthshoreTiger225
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 2/25/12 at 11:45 pm
Anyone here ever started their own engineering firm or any equivalent? I am looking to do this eventually and would love to get any and all information. thanks in advance!
Posted by b-rab2
N. Louisiana
Member since Dec 2005
12925 posts
Posted on 2/25/12 at 11:46 pm to
hope your a PE
Posted by rickgrimes
Member since Jan 2011
4340 posts
Posted on 2/25/12 at 11:48 pm to
Do you have a PE? I'm thinking that is a minimum requirement if you plan to own your own engineering firm or become a consultant.
Posted by NorthshoreTiger225
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
21 posts
Posted on 2/25/12 at 11:50 pm to
I am still in school actually. I do plan on passing the FE and getting my PE. I figure I can get some work experience and save up money in the process before opening my own firm.
Posted by UKWildcatsFAN
Bowling Green
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Posted on 2/26/12 at 12:21 am to
What year in school are you? That's a hefty goal considering that you have to do a five year apprenticeship before you can become an actual P.E. What type of engineering are you going for?
Posted by NorthshoreTiger225
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
21 posts
Posted on 2/26/12 at 12:29 am to
I'll be a Senior in the fall. I know all the information about being a PE. I was inquiring here more about the financial and managerial aspects about owning your own business.
Posted by ForeLSU
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Posted on 2/26/12 at 12:55 am to
quote:

I was inquiring here more about the financial and managerial aspects about owning your own business.


way too much in this inquiry to discuss on a message board...I would say take all the accounting, marketing, small biz management, biz law, etc. you can take, and that will help. But ultimately you need to work for a couple of good mentors to really learn this stuff.

As far as the specific question, I'm a geek, not an engineer, and I've owned a couple of integration businesses. I've dealt with a number of engineering firms. If you want to start a design engineering firm, then obviously PE is critical from a legal standpoint, but also a marketing standpoint. I would say the more niched you are the better, it will be hard to succeed if you're just another run-of-the-mill design firm (don't know your field). If it's construction related, finding architects to partner with will be a big key. In many cases, they'll land the design project and contract out the engineering-related tasks (electrical, mechanical, structural, etc). If you're a minority, going after consulting contracts in the public sector is a strong model.

I wouldn't think capital requirements would significant...you can even farm out CAD, printing, etc. Your main expense will be liability insurance and legal fees for contract development/review.
Posted by rickgrimes
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Posted on 2/26/12 at 12:57 am to
It is good that you are starting early if owning your own firm is your long term goal, but I feel that you may be looking a little too far ahead being that you are still in school.

First things first - Make sure you get the FE out of the way before you finish school. The exam gets tougher to prepare for the longer you wait because you tend to forget a lot of things you learn in school. Then after you graduate, see if you can find work with an engineering consulting company, kind of like the one your want to own eventually, so that you gain first hand experience on how such a firm works and what kind of business skills are needed to run such a company. Like someone said, you will have to work a few years under a PE to eventually get your PE license anyway, so make sure you find an employer who can give you that opportunity.

Another thing to consider - I think PE licensing differs from state to state. So if you want to open your company in Louisiana, but got your PE in Texas, I don't know how hard it is to get a new one for LA. Not sure if you have to retake the PE exam, maybe somebody else can chime in on this. Just keep this at the back of your mind too.
Posted by NorthshoreTiger225
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
21 posts
Posted on 2/26/12 at 2:09 am to
I am studying Mechanical Engineering. and yeah, I plan to knock out the FE as soon as possible. I will probably live and work in the Baton Rouge area in the foreseeable future so getting my PE in Louisiana should suffice although being so close to Texas I will definitely look into what you said. And I have tried finding internships in the consulting field but I seem to not find any. I have held an internship for the last 2 summers so at least I am getting some experience period.
Posted by rickgrimes
Member since Jan 2011
4340 posts
Posted on 2/26/12 at 2:30 am to
You should easily be able to find a job being an ME and having done those internships. Houston probably has more opportunities for you in terms of ME type jobs with all the oil field, energy and related companies there. But if you work at big companies like FMC/Bechtel/Fluor/Exterran or some other company like that doing engineering work, while you will gain valuable work experience, your learning will be mostly technical in the first few years. For what you are trying to do - learn the business/finanacial side of running a engineering firm - I'd look at smaller companies where you will get a chance to interact with a more diverse and cross-functional group of people and not just be confined to your own project or team. If you work in a smaller company, I think you will have a better overall professional growth and it will prepare you better for your long term goal. Exponent: LINK - might be a good fit for you. Look into them. Just my $0.02.

ETA: Like ForeLSU said, if you can get into a niche field that will be a big advantage. Do you know what kind of engineering work you are interested in - Solid Mechanics, Fluid Mechanics, Heat Transfer etc.? These days you can outsource all kinds of work CAD, CFD, FEA etc. which will save you on capital spending. Start thinking on these lines too.
This post was edited on 2/26/12 at 1:27 pm
Posted by urinetrouble
Member since Oct 2007
20650 posts
Posted on 2/26/12 at 9:31 am to
quote:

It is good that you are starting early if owning your own firm is your long term goal, but I feel that you may be looking a little too far ahead being that you are still in school.



This.

Do you know what specialty of ME you want to pursue? What industry?

A few years of work experience may change your perspective about what you want and what's realistic. Finding good mentors will be key. And sometimes you have to be in the right place at the right time for a good opening to start your own business (i.e. someone else retires or closes shop). You have to develop a healthy base of potential clients, which can take considerable time depending on what type of role you assume in your first job or jobs. A lot of existing ties are strong and it isn't easy to siphon off work from long-standing business relationships. Also, you have to line-up some reliable people to work for you, unless you are in a field where you can be productive starting out as a one man show. And the big thing is how quickly you can develop the technical expertise necessary to call the shots and not make costly mistakes. School only scratches the surface.

It's good that you have a good long term goal. But don't get too far ahead of yourself.



Posted by Tigris
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Member since Jul 2005
13161 posts
Posted on 2/26/12 at 9:38 am to
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Do you have a PE? I'm thinking that is a minimum requirement if you plan to own your own engineering firm or become a consultant.


Not true. I've been a consulting engineer for 20 years without a PE. The people I work for don't give a rats arse about the PE, they hire me based on experience and past results. It helps that I do work that is somewhat specialized in an industry that is open and where everybody knows everyone else. For a young engineer without a reputation a PE probably is going to be needed.
Posted by rickgrimes
Member since Jan 2011
4340 posts
Posted on 2/26/12 at 12:46 pm to
Isn't it mandatory to have a PE if you want to do any kind of government projects?
Posted by Tigris
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Member since Jul 2005
13161 posts
Posted on 2/26/12 at 12:53 pm to
quote:

Isn't it mandatory to have a PE if you want to do any kind of government projects?


Wouldn't surprise me. I don't do any work for the government. My work is all for the companies that own the chemical plants. One place I thought it might get to be a problem is with insurance which is not cheap. But Lloyd's of London and the other insurance carriers don't care whether I have a PE or not.

ETA - I'm not really a "firm", just an individual consultant. Good luck to anyone who starts a firm, it's a brutal business with a boom/bust cycle that isn't for the faint of heart.
This post was edited on 2/26/12 at 12:56 pm
Posted by gonads&strife
Member since Dec 2011
1885 posts
Posted on 2/26/12 at 1:26 pm to
Move to Houston and work for an engineering firm - take notes.
Posted by MNCscripper
St. George
Member since Jan 2004
11909 posts
Posted on 2/26/12 at 1:38 pm to
quote:

Bechtel


They are hiring like crazy right now, they are my company's biggest customer
Posted by BananaHammock
Member since Aug 2011
13150 posts
Posted on 2/26/12 at 9:26 pm to
I started mine in Jan 2007 at 29 years old. Spent the previous 8 years working for 3 other consulting firms, constantly on the lookout at each place for what worked and what didn't.

If you are going to call your company anything "Engineering", you must have someone on staff with a P.E. If you plan on being the principal engineer of your firm with only 5 years of experience, make sure you don't get pigeonholed into any one thing while doing your time leading up to the start of your biz.

Decide before starting your business if you can handle 80 hour weeks, 20 hour weeks, and being fully dependent on you, yourself for bringing in new business. The rewards are there, but only for the strong. You will have to be willing to eat shite from clients, work tirelessly, and have either a year of work lined up going in or enough money to live on for a year.

Truthfully, having only 5 year of experience will be your biggest challenge. I had 8 when I started and my saving grace was a ridiculously good resume. 10 or more years of experience in the engineering consulting business is money.
Posted by BananaHammock
Member since Aug 2011
13150 posts
Posted on 2/26/12 at 9:32 pm to
One more thing....never burn your bridges wherever you work. I ended up sub-consulting to a firm I used to work for during my first few years in business. That really helped out.

Also, be really careful who you work for. Some consulting firms are really shitty to those who leave to start their own gig. Some will try to sabatoge anyone who tries leaving. It might help you out to pair with another like-minded entrepreneurial type when getting started.
Posted by CidCock
Member since Sep 2007
Member since Feb 2011
8692 posts
Posted on 2/27/12 at 9:44 am to
quote:

Tigris


I'm a PE. Let me know if you need someone to sign and seal
Posted by barry
Location, Location, Location
Member since Aug 2006
51410 posts
Posted on 2/27/12 at 12:58 pm to
Working for an engineering firm is for the fricking birds.

Just my .02

Tons of hours
Tons of stress

Much better jobs out there IMO
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