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re: First round SEC bye and NCAA chances.
Posted on 2/18/12 at 11:49 pm to Jim Rockford
Posted on 2/18/12 at 11:49 pm to Jim Rockford
The South Alabama and Coastal Carolina losses are both REALLY bad. People aren't looking deeply enough into that.
Finishing 20-10 (10-6) going into the tournament, getting a 1st round bye, winning a game, losing to Kentucky, and finishing 21-11 still probably won't be enough.
Losing one of our remaining games in the regular season and winning two games without a bye seems far-fetched as well. That would put us at 21-12, which also probably wouldn't get it done.
Two years ago, Mississippi State finished the regular season 21-10 (9-7). They got a bye in the SEC Tournament, won two games, and lost to a great Kentucky team in the tournament championship in overtime.
They had a very similar resume to what we would finish with this year, assuming we win our last four games. They had poor losses to Rider and Western Kentucky, They had a good win against Old Dominion, but most of their OOC wins were against bad teams. They even had a win @Houston.*
To look further, the SEC was 4th in conference RPI that season. From what I'm looking at, it's also 4th this year.
The major difference in comparing the two would be that Mississippi State finished the season losing their last two regular season SEC games, including a 3-3 mark in their final six games. Under any scenario that gets LSU into the NCAA Tournament this season, they would be AT LEAST 6-1 in the final seven SEC games (possibly 7-0).
Now, of course, the NCAA Tournament field was four teams smaller two years ago than it is this year. So perhaps finishing 21-11 with a loss in the semifinals of the conference tournament would put LSU right on the line - either last four in, or last four out. But keep in mind that we would likely have to play a close game in the semifinal to impress the committee (although that didn't work for State two years ago).
In my opinion, LSU will have to beat Kentucky in the SEC Tournament to make the NCAA. We aren't anywhere close to the bubble right now, looking at things objectively. Four wins against average SEC teams isn't going to change that.
We're going to have to beat one of the big boys in New Orleans. Either Kentucky or Florida. And unless some crazy shite goes down these last few weeks of SEC play, it won't be Florida.
*Yes, Houston made the NCAA Tournament in 2010. But it was strictly because they won the C-USA Tournament. They had no shot at getting an at-large bid.
Finishing 20-10 (10-6) going into the tournament, getting a 1st round bye, winning a game, losing to Kentucky, and finishing 21-11 still probably won't be enough.
Losing one of our remaining games in the regular season and winning two games without a bye seems far-fetched as well. That would put us at 21-12, which also probably wouldn't get it done.
Two years ago, Mississippi State finished the regular season 21-10 (9-7). They got a bye in the SEC Tournament, won two games, and lost to a great Kentucky team in the tournament championship in overtime.
They had a very similar resume to what we would finish with this year, assuming we win our last four games. They had poor losses to Rider and Western Kentucky, They had a good win against Old Dominion, but most of their OOC wins were against bad teams. They even had a win @Houston.*
To look further, the SEC was 4th in conference RPI that season. From what I'm looking at, it's also 4th this year.
The major difference in comparing the two would be that Mississippi State finished the season losing their last two regular season SEC games, including a 3-3 mark in their final six games. Under any scenario that gets LSU into the NCAA Tournament this season, they would be AT LEAST 6-1 in the final seven SEC games (possibly 7-0).
Now, of course, the NCAA Tournament field was four teams smaller two years ago than it is this year. So perhaps finishing 21-11 with a loss in the semifinals of the conference tournament would put LSU right on the line - either last four in, or last four out. But keep in mind that we would likely have to play a close game in the semifinal to impress the committee (although that didn't work for State two years ago).
In my opinion, LSU will have to beat Kentucky in the SEC Tournament to make the NCAA. We aren't anywhere close to the bubble right now, looking at things objectively. Four wins against average SEC teams isn't going to change that.
We're going to have to beat one of the big boys in New Orleans. Either Kentucky or Florida. And unless some crazy shite goes down these last few weeks of SEC play, it won't be Florida.
*Yes, Houston made the NCAA Tournament in 2010. But it was strictly because they won the C-USA Tournament. They had no shot at getting an at-large bid.
Posted on 2/18/12 at 11:56 pm to BayouBengals03
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Finishing 20-10 (10-6) going into the tournament, getting a 1st round bye, winning a game, losing to Kentucky, and finishing 21-11 still probably won't be enough.
I think this gets us in as a 9 or 10 seed.
Posted on 2/19/12 at 12:02 am to BayouBengals03
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BayouBengals03
Great post.
The committee does look at mostly numbers. What was MSSU's RPI when it came selection Sunday? Also, we had a fairly challenging OOC schedule this year. Our win over Marquette may turn out to be huge and make up most ground for our early bad losses. I think if we win out and make semi's in NOLA, then we will go dancing.
Posted on 2/19/12 at 8:29 am to BayouBengals03
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The major difference in comparing the two would be that Mississippi State finished the season losing their last two regular season SEC games, including a 3-3 mark in their final six games
i think this is a very major diff in your scenario. 8 in a row with a loss to KY to finish season. vs miss st finishing out 3-3. also i think 10-6 vs 9-7 is a significant difference.
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