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re: Favre, Marino, Manning, Brees, Brady and future possible career stats

Posted on 12/28/11 at 2:42 pm to
Posted by TheCobra
Member since Dec 2011
526 posts
Posted on 12/28/11 at 2:42 pm to
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I am sure you are right, that fans tend to overvalue one of the top three QBs in the game today.

You really don't think that Brees has something to do with how they perform on a game-by-game basis. They make some nice catches, but Brees puts it exactly where it needs to be 90 percent of the time. You think that somehow the Broncos receivers wouldn't be better than they are now if they had Brees placing the ball on the money all the time instead of having to try and make above-average catches regularly?



Don't get me wrong, I believe Brees is a great quarterback, but it's not like he was tearing it up out in San Diego. Hell he was so disappointing for them that they wound up with the number one pick in the 2004 draft and picked another quarterback. People seem to forget that Brees was let go in favor of an unproven quarterback because he was seen as a disappointment and really, he was.

He didn't put up great numbers until he got to New Orleans under Sean Payton. Coincidence? I think not. This is the guy who managed to get 3,300 passing yards out of Quincy fricking Carter on a bad Dallas team. The man is to NFL quarterbacks what Spurrier was to college quarterbacks in the 90's and what Tedford was for college quarterbacks for a good 15 or so years.

Let's also not pretend that Brees is playing with hot garbage surrounding him either. From a raw athletic standpoint and overall skill standpoint, Brees has the best top to bottom offensive supporting cast in the NFL.

So yeah he's a great quarterback independent of his supporting cast, but he's not some godlike quarterback like some Saints fans believe.
This post was edited on 12/28/11 at 2:42 pm
Posted by Fububutsy
Lake Charles, LA
Member since Jan 2007
3968 posts
Posted on 12/28/11 at 3:09 pm to
I guess my way of looking at it was the value of Brees as well as the receiving corp. Yes, Payton is a big reason for the success, but Brees did make the pro bowl before teaming up with Payton, so it isn't like he didn't do anything before.

And I am nowhere close to saying the receivers are bad, but you can plug another hard worker into the group, and they will likely produce a good bit as well.

The point is Brees doesn't have an elite receiver in the group, but he produces elite numbers anyway. He makes the players around him better, which only a few QBs in the league are also able to do.
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