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I agree I'm not saying they should get rid of other sports, you are missing the point, they lose money because the AD funds all kinds of sports that lose money. I don't see SI writing about how much schools lose sending their women's basketball team to the tourney.

I think you were missing my original point and one of the many points brought up by the authors. I don't like a system that forces most teams to loose money because they are invited to a bowl. The authors provide several examples of the insanity of the current bowl scam including paying full price for unused seats in half-filled stadiums

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The fans should not be the first concern of University Presidents and Athletic Directors. They run non-profits, not private businesses. The Student athletes should be their primary concern.

The bowls run nonprofits too, which is a major issue I have with the current system.

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I'm sorry some fans have butt hurt over the system in place. It doesn't seem to affect their enjoyment of the sport, CFB has grown over the years with out a playoff, so while some fans may bitch they still love it.

Great argument - just because CFB has grown over the years, we shouldn’t try to make it better. I love CFB and I’m grateful that the BCS has moved us in a better direction. I just feel that it has run its course and we need a new system.

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This is exactly what I hate about extensive playoffs. Why should Auburn have to beat us twice? Why should the 2nd game have more importance than the first. This is what we mean when we say playoff diminish regular seasons.

Why has any SEC teams had to beat someone twice in the same year - once during the regular season and once in the SEC championship game. And in the Auburn/LSU situation, the 2nd game would have more importance because it would likely be on a neutral field (with neutral refs). We all know about the refs in the SEC :-)

And I just still don’t buy the argument that this would diminish the regular season. We would still be playing for a better seed. Anyways, the CFB season continues to get diminished. Did you see the article in the NY Times - LINK

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In 1989, the sport’s 25 best teams, according to the A.P. poll of sportswriters heading into bowl season, played 20 games against one another outside of regular conference matchups. In 1998, there were 10 such games. This year, there were only three such games between teams that were ranked in the A.P. Top 25 after the first weekend in November.

IMHO, it doesn’t look like the regular season in the current system is getting any better. It looks like it has gotten a lot worse in just the last 20 years.

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I don't want to keep supporting a systems that puts more money in the hands of "bowl" executives, head coaches, ADs, & especially ESPN. I would rather more of the money going to the schools and the college towns that support them
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Wow this is full of fail. Without ESPN or some other network there is no way a playoff makes more money. So wanting them to not make as much is just petty jealousy and counter productive.

I should have left ESPN off that list in that context, because the fact that TV networks are making money was not my point. I do get pissed off at the way that ESPN continues to prop up these crappy bowls and reward teams for mediocracy. Anyway, I bet that CBS, NBC, and FOX would help make sure that a playoff made as much money as possible.

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What the Bowl execs get is none of your business.

If they are nonprofit, being excessively compensated, and using this money to donate to political candidates, it is our business. From the article:

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In September, Marcus Owens, the former head of the IRS's Exempt Organizations Division who is working with the lobbying group Playoff PAC, asked the IRS to review the nonprofit status of three BCS bowl games because of "excessive compensation." Junker and the Fiesta Bowl, which will run this year's BCS title game, are also under investigation by the Arizona attorney general's office. In December 2009, five former or current Fiesta Bowl employees told The Arizona Republic they were instructed by Junker to donate money to certain political candidates, to be reimbursed in the form of merit pay, which would be a violation of state and federal laws. Junker and the Fiesta Bowl have denied those accusations. The Republic also reported that the bowl spent more than $4 million since 2000 to curry favor from BCS bigwigs and elected officials—including almost $400,000 for its '08 Fiesta Frolic, a golf-intensive gathering of ADs and head coaches.

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If you want your team to win, you better hope the coaches are getting some other wise you won't have the best coaches any more.

Continuing to prop up new bowl games year after year and rewarding a coach and AD for going 6-6, which usually includes 3-5 home games against instate or small schools, is not what I would want to watch in the post-season. There is no argument that coaches that get their teams to the meaningful post-season games should be substantially rewarded.

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As for the college towns that's a different type of money.

What is different about this type of money? Wouldn’t you rather Baton Rouge get the “bowl” money than Dallas, Atlanta, Tampa, Orlando, etc?

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Posted by H-Town Tiger

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Posted on 11/25/10 at 2:51 pm to bisceaux

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I don't like a system that forces most teams to loose money because they are invited to a bowl. The authors provide several examples of the insanity of the current bowl scam including paying full price for unused seats in half-filled stadiums

the schools could decline the bowls, but its still only looking at one side of the equation. Teams in conferences share the bowl revenue. So if you take the money 1 team makes off its bowl, which it splits with 9,10,11 other teams and then factor in the costs of that bowl to show they lost money is disingenuous. Ohio State goes to the Fiesta they get 1/11 of that payout after sharing with the rest of the Big 10, but they beat 100% of the costs. But they also get 1/11 (assuming the shares are equal) of the Rose Bowl, the Cap One Bowl, The Outback Bowl, the Alamo Bowl and all other Big 10 bowl tie ins, but have zero costs for the games they are not in. So take all the bowl revenue they get, plus the TV revenue and the increase in MDSE sales and see if they are still losing money going to the Fiesta Bowl.

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Why has any SEC teams had to beat someone twice in the same year - once during the regular season and once in the SEC championship game

Because the SEC CG is a type of playoff and its stupid, see the 2001 season. Even after splitting 2 games with LSU, Tenn had a better record, its a farce that LSU is SEC C.

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IMHO, it doesn’t look like the regular season in the current system is getting any better. It looks like it has gotten a lot worse in just the last 20 years.

that's cause you and most in the media have an agenda. Its stupid to count just OOC games when conferences have gotten bigger and now play more conference games. Miami was an independent in 1989, now they are in a conference. The author neglects to mention stuff like that because it would undermine his agenda. I'd like to know if the total # of top 20 games has changed. I bet it hasn't. Texas and OU are now in a the same conference, that makes it a bigger game, but according to this guy it doesn't count anymore.

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rewarding a coach and AD for going 6-6,

Depending on the school, most people don't consider 6-6 a good season, Shula was fired at Bama for going 6-6 and making a bowl. He's not the only 1.

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