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T-Bob blew it and why Crowton might be worse than you think
Posted on 10/5/10 at 11:12 pm
Posted on 10/5/10 at 11:12 pm
Amidst all the adulation for T-Bob Hebert for "saving" LSU by having the sense to snap the ball, I am going to present a contrary viewpoint -- that he blew it and nearly cost LSU the game.
The play was going to be a pass play. There are trips left and Terrence Toliver is in the slot and headed for the left corner of the end zone, while Deangelo Peterson is going straight up from the TE position on the other side. It appears to me that the play to Toliver is the primary read if the defensive alignment is favorable and that the route to Peterson is the alternate call if one of the DBs is playing back.
With six seconds left, Jefferson is giving the call to the line and Ridley. At five seconds, Jefferson is glancing at the WRs on the left and looking at the coverage. Ridley and Hurst are not set. At four seconds, Jefferson begins his cadence for the snap. At three seconds, Jefferson appears to be in the process of starting to stamp his leg to call for the ball, as a QB would in a visiting stadium, because the crowd noise would likely prevent his cadence from being heard. At this time, it appears to me that Jefferson is quickly looking at the defense in front of him to assess whether Peterson is likely to be open in the event that the play to Toliver isn't there.
I believe T-Bob panicked and simply snapped the ball too early. To me, Jefferson seems aware of the clock, and there was no way that his cadence was going to last three more seconds. Contrary to popular opinion, it appears that T-Bob, rather than Jefferson, is the one who lacked clock awareness.
It does not matter whether the ball is snapped with three seconds left or one -- it was going to be the last play of the game in any case.
The interesting thing is that the play was going to "work" in that Toliver was going to be open. Neither he nor the DB opposite him see the bad snap, and Toliver jukes him and would have been wide open in the corner.
Reviewing this has made me much more infuriated with Gary Crowton. For a second, please disregard the fact that he sent Jefferson in with only one play instead of two. Disregard the fact that Crowton then substitutes players when there is no time to do so, and this effectively costs us a down (because if we don't sub, we have time for a quick pass play and then another play if that doesn't work).
No, I want you to focus on the fact that the two best goal-line plays that Crowton could come up with were a Jefferson run off tackle and a pass from Jefferson to Toliver. Think about the futility of Jefferson as a pure runner. Think about Jefferson's pass completion percentage. Think about the fact that Toliver drops everything Jefferson throws to him (though he seems to be able to catch Lee's passes just fine).
What confidence do any of you have that Jefferson-to-Toliver in the end zone results in a completed pass?
The play was going to be a pass play. There are trips left and Terrence Toliver is in the slot and headed for the left corner of the end zone, while Deangelo Peterson is going straight up from the TE position on the other side. It appears to me that the play to Toliver is the primary read if the defensive alignment is favorable and that the route to Peterson is the alternate call if one of the DBs is playing back.
With six seconds left, Jefferson is giving the call to the line and Ridley. At five seconds, Jefferson is glancing at the WRs on the left and looking at the coverage. Ridley and Hurst are not set. At four seconds, Jefferson begins his cadence for the snap. At three seconds, Jefferson appears to be in the process of starting to stamp his leg to call for the ball, as a QB would in a visiting stadium, because the crowd noise would likely prevent his cadence from being heard. At this time, it appears to me that Jefferson is quickly looking at the defense in front of him to assess whether Peterson is likely to be open in the event that the play to Toliver isn't there.
I believe T-Bob panicked and simply snapped the ball too early. To me, Jefferson seems aware of the clock, and there was no way that his cadence was going to last three more seconds. Contrary to popular opinion, it appears that T-Bob, rather than Jefferson, is the one who lacked clock awareness.
It does not matter whether the ball is snapped with three seconds left or one -- it was going to be the last play of the game in any case.
The interesting thing is that the play was going to "work" in that Toliver was going to be open. Neither he nor the DB opposite him see the bad snap, and Toliver jukes him and would have been wide open in the corner.
Reviewing this has made me much more infuriated with Gary Crowton. For a second, please disregard the fact that he sent Jefferson in with only one play instead of two. Disregard the fact that Crowton then substitutes players when there is no time to do so, and this effectively costs us a down (because if we don't sub, we have time for a quick pass play and then another play if that doesn't work).
No, I want you to focus on the fact that the two best goal-line plays that Crowton could come up with were a Jefferson run off tackle and a pass from Jefferson to Toliver. Think about the futility of Jefferson as a pure runner. Think about Jefferson's pass completion percentage. Think about the fact that Toliver drops everything Jefferson throws to him (though he seems to be able to catch Lee's passes just fine).
What confidence do any of you have that Jefferson-to-Toliver in the end zone results in a completed pass?
Posted on 10/5/10 at 11:13 pm to GOP_Tiger
Thank goodness we didn't run a pass play.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 11:14 pm to GOP_Tiger
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What confidence do any of you have that Jefferson-to-Toliver in the end zone results in a completed pass?
<50% because TT has been using boards for hands the past few weeks.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 11:17 pm to GOP_Tiger
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At this time, it appears to me that Jefferson is quickly looking at the defense in front of him to assess whether Peterson is likely to be open in the event that the play to Toliver isn't there.
All I need to re-confirm for me that Hebert did indeed save the game for us. If I have to choose between Jefferson reading a D and throwing the ball and Hebert just wildly snapping the ball with the hope something works out...I'll take the latter. In a second.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 11:18 pm to GOP_Tiger
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What confidence do any of you have that Jefferson-to-Toliver in the end zone results in a completed pass?
ZERO!
Posted on 10/5/10 at 11:20 pm to GOP_Tiger
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It appears to me that the play to Toliver is the primary read if the defensive alignment is favorable and that the route to Peterson is the alternate call if one of the DBs is playing back.
You know, you might have a fricking point if not for the fact that Tennessee had TWO EXTRA DEFENDERS.
Which, by the way, wouldn't matter if T-Bob hadn't snapped the ball before time expired. The ref immediately asked the replay official if the ball had been snapped before time expired. Because if time expired, Tennessee would have won and never have been penalized for having too many men.
So I ask you, just what play do you think we should have run to score against 13 defenders???
Posted on 10/5/10 at 11:21 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Crowton might be worse than you think
Impossible.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 11:25 pm to GOP_Tiger
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At this time, it appears to me that Jefferson is quickly looking at the defense in front of him to assess whether Peterson is likely to be open in the event that the play to Toliver isn't there.
This is most likely false. I have yet to see him READ a defense well enough, let alone figure out Peterson would be the guy. Even so Jefferson would have had to been blind not to see how wide open Peterson was.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 11:28 pm to GOP_Tiger
2 seconds left when everyone was clueless is too early? You really dont know squat about football do you?
Posted on 10/5/10 at 11:31 pm to GOP_Tiger
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I believe
I believe you are a dumbarse and need to STFU. This has been hashed out several times since the game and T-Bob hiked the ball as a lesson learned. Stop being a jackass and give credit where credit is do.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 11:41 pm to GOP_Tiger
the fans blew it...they were too loud
BLAME THE FANS!!!!!
BLAME THE FANS!!!!!
Posted on 10/5/10 at 11:43 pm to GOP_Tiger
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With six seconds left, Jefferson is giving the call to the line and Ridley. At five seconds, Jefferson is glancing at the WRs on the left and looking at the coverage. Ridley and Hurst are not set. At four seconds, Jefferson begins his cadence for the snap. At three seconds, Jefferson appears to be in the process of starting to stamp his leg to call for the ball, as a QB would in a visiting stadium, because the crowd noise would likely prevent his cadence from being heard. At this time, it appears to me that Jefferson is quickly looking at the defense in front of him to assess whether Peterson is likely to be open in the event that the play to Toliver isn't there.
Interesting, sounds like a JFK conspiracy theory..
Posted on 10/5/10 at 11:43 pm to GOP_Tiger
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With six seconds left, Jefferson is giving the call to the line and Ridley. At five seconds, Jefferson is glancing at the WRs on the left and looking at the coverage. Ridley and Hurst are not set. At four seconds, Jefferson begins his cadence for the snap. At three seconds, Jefferson appears to be in the process of starting to stamp his leg to call for the ball, as a QB would in a visiting stadium, because the crowd noise would likely prevent his cadence from being heard. At this time, it appears to me that Jefferson is quickly looking at the defense in front of him to assess whether Peterson is likely to be open in the event that the play to Toliver isn't there.
Interesting, sounds like a JFK conspiracy theory..
Posted on 10/5/10 at 11:49 pm to GOP_Tiger
dude jefferson completed 30% of his passes with an open field against 11 players...no way he was completing a pass with only 10 yards to work with against 13 players
Posted on 10/5/10 at 11:52 pm to GOP_Tiger
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What confidence do any of you have that Jefferson-to-Toliver in the end zone results in a completed pass?
well considering he hadn't completed a pass for a TD in 17 quarters before that, not much confidence. The kid sucks at throwing the ball.
Posted on 10/5/10 at 11:59 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Crowton might be worse than you think
Posted on 10/6/10 at 12:13 am to GOP_Tiger
quote:I wouldn't say that Hebert lacked clock awareness. Snapping it premature is better than not snapping it at all.
I believe T-Bob panicked and simply snapped the ball too early. To me, Jefferson seems aware of the clock, and there was no way that his cadence was going to last three more seconds. Contrary to popular opinion, it appears that T-Bob, rather than Jefferson, is the one who lacked clock awareness.
However, I agree that Hebert snapped it too early. He snapped it just before Jefferson was going to call for the ball.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 5:10 am to GOP_Tiger
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Think about the futility of Jefferson as a pure runner.
This is really all I can quibble with. Jefferson, despite his obvious lack of game awareness, leadership abilities, and will to win, has shown a capability to make an appropriate read on the read option as well as make a defender or two miss. See his run on the first play of the game for evidence of that.
THAT BEING SAID, I still wonder why we didn't see a) Ridley run the ball, like he'd been doing all game or b) some sort of misdirection at the end of the game (like the play where we fake the handoff up the middle and do a quick pitch outside and sprint to the corner of the endzone).
As has been stated many times, if we fail on that play, we still get another chance. But all in all, running the ball was a MUCH better option than passing if we want to have a chance to score.
Posted on 10/6/10 at 7:17 am to GOP_Tiger
T-bob also missed his block on that play.
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