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Rewatch the game........

Posted on 9/6/10 at 10:07 am
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 10:07 am
No one should be allowed to post anything, positive or negative, without rewatching the game.

If you think you have an actual idea of how ANY game goes down based on your initial viewing, then you are either a complete idiot, or Good Will Hunting.

There is a reason coaches and players watch a ton of film.

I wanted to break my TV and never watch another LSU game after the emotion of that game. But after rewatching the game, I feel as good about this team as I have since 2007.

DL was absolutely sick. Nevis, Pep, Montgomery, and Brockers are monsters.

Kelvin is amazing. Francois was solid but wasn't around the ball as much as you'd like. Minter and Barrow have work to do but are talented.

PP is greatness. Jai was solid. Taylor is out of position too much. Claiborne was not as bad on second viewing but got torched on a double move on the 97 yarder, which was completely scripted by UNC. Great play call with their backs to the wall.

OL was VERY solid. And no, those were not scrubs they were playing against. They aren't scrubs anymore than Brockers or Downs, our 2nd string DTs are, and they got pushed off the ball all night in the run game, and didn't get a sack. And T-Bob, who I wanted cut after watching the game, played really well and DID NOT hold on that TD. He absolutely pancaked his man. HORRIBLE CALL. Improvement here was VERY obvious.

Anyone who says JJ hasn't improved isn't worth talking to. They have their minds made up. He played well. Does still hold the ball in certain situations though. But overall, got the ball out MUCH quicker than last year. Also, he is keeping the ball on options this year, whereas he ALWAYS pitched it last year and didn't even really try to fool anyone into thinking he'd run. They obviously drilled keeping the ball into his head this summer, so he has to learn to balance the pitch vs. the keep. The only REALLY two bad plays were the pick at the end of the half, and the intentional grounding. He held it too long on both of those and panicked. Other than that though, he was much more decisive and got the ball out. Still locks on to receivers though too a good part of the time. Needs work there, but honestly, the first read was usually open, shown by his great comp. %. So, it's tough to knock that too much.

Gameplan was very good by Crowton, or Gonzales, or whoever, and I was one of the first Crowton haters on this board. Came out attacking in the 2nd half again, but Ridley's fumble killed a scoring drive. No "meerkat" O, VERY FEW presnap penalties, no trouble getting the play calls in, no option to the short side, and not nearly as much option at all. Took shots downfield. Tight ends were involved in the passing game unlike last year, probably due to our OL finally playing better so we didn't need to keep them in to block as much. Shep got several touches, and Murphy, thank god, got very few opportunities. The offensive staff has clearly made improvements in everything from gameplan, to personnel use, to relaying calls from the sideline, to actual play calls.

Ridley ran VERY well, and if he can stop fumbling, he will be a great SEC back. That said, he almost cost us the game. The fumble on the first drive of the second half killed our momentum, and of course the last one was just inexcusable. His TD that was called back for a bogus call was a great great run.

We do still have a bad tendency to run routes short of the 1st down markers on 3rd down. That was the only glaring problem I saw with the gameplan. Randle should NEVER be running short of the sticks on 3rd down and he did it at least twice.

I did wish Randle was more of a focus in the O. That guy is as good as they come. Ford not getting carries is terrible. I don't care how little of the playbook he knows, put him for the 2 or 3 plays he does know. And he CANNOT be any worse on blitz pickup than Murphy. FACT.

Stampley is simply not an SEC FB IMO.


Can't wait till next week. If the players and coaches can avoid the clowns on this board, and keep doing what they're doing, we are going to be just fine.



This post was edited on 9/6/10 at 11:24 am
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 10:09 am to
quote:

Champions 2003, 2007, 2009


ummm
Posted by LSUF00TBALLFAN1
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Member since Jan 2007
1188 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 10:10 am to
I drink way too much during to objectively evaluate the game.
Posted by nino2469
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Sep 2004
5526 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 10:13 am to
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DL was absolutely sick. Nevis, Pep, Montgomery, and Brockers are monsters.



agree

quote:

OL was VERY solid.


I thought so too. We were able to run the ball and the pocket held most of the night giving JJ time to do something, of course his decision making was not always the best.
This post was edited on 9/6/10 at 10:15 am
Posted by KBeezy
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2004
13529 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 10:14 am to
quote:

There is a reason coaches and players watch a ton of film.


They also give their opinion in post game pressers having not watched a film

But I did rewatch it, and how anyone could feel good about what happened is amazing to me
Posted by TigerB8
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Member since Oct 2003
9369 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 10:15 am to
Carolina was missing 9 starters....sugar coat it all you want
Posted by Broham
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 10:16 am to
I agree
Posted by Douboy
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2007
4332 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 10:18 am to
I feel better after re-watching as well. However, I wouldn't watch past the T-Bob holding call if you don't want to get pissed again.

As a whole, this team has a lot to build on following that game. Unfortunately, after the T-Bob hold, the wheels fell off. Before that, there were signs of dominance on both sides of the ball every once in a while. I would feel much better about our offense if we weren't playing their 2nd string.
Posted by RANDY44
Member since Aug 2005
9572 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 10:19 am to
Nice post. I agree the Oline did not give up a sack. The lone sack(the grounding play) was all on JJ. No hold on TBob. That reminded me of the holding call on Herman when Davis scored at UF in '06. Stampley just doesn't get in good position. I'd like to see Edwards get a shot there. Ford and Ware should get a shot. Felt sorry for Murphy 'cause that was not a fumble. Also a horrible no-call on the onside kick. Ridley should not start next week. JL should see a few snaps IMO.
Posted by Navytiger74
Member since Oct 2009
50458 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 10:24 am to
Voodoo,

Where can I rewatch the game online. SEConCBS no longer seems to carry them (ABC contract, I guess?)
Posted by LaBoyNTn
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2005
582 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 10:42 am to
No thanks
Posted by Roaad
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Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 10:54 am to
quote:

Anyone who says JJ hasn't improved isn't worth talking to. They have their minds made up. He played well. Does still hold the ball in certain situations though. But overall, got the ball out MUCH quicker than last year. Also, he is keeping the ball on options this year, whereas he ALWAYS pitched it last year and didn't even really try to fool anyone into thinking he'd run. They obviously drilled keeping the ball into his head this summer, so he has to learn to balance the pitch vs. the keep. The only REALLY two bad plays were the pick at the end of the half, and the intentional grounding. He held it too long on both of those and panicked. Other than that though, he was much more decisive and got the ball out. Still locks on to receivers though too a good part of the time. Needs work there, but honestly, the first read was usually open, shown by his great comp. % in the first half. So, it's tough to knock that too much.
You can't say positive things about Jordan on this board. It isn't allowed.
Posted by Lsupimp
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Member since Nov 2003
78990 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 11:06 am to
Ok . I rewatched it twice.
First, I really can't find any legitimately valid reasons to complain about Crowton's play selection or JJ's performance. through the T-Bob holding penalty around the 11:00 minute mark of the 4th quarter. This would have made it 37-10 and we start the bus. It looked like T-Bob flattened him, but it also looked like T'Bobs left hand may have grabbed the DL's jersey.

In fact, Crowton had a really nice mix going,and kept UNC off banance, but drives ended on turnovers. This surprised me on second viewing.

The OL was FAR from bad. Hurst was far from bad. T_bob was far from bad. They had pretty good push throughout.

The DL was solid. Nevis brought it hard. Brockers is such a natural.

The LB's didn't impress me as much, Kelvin excepted.

Jai eugene played pretty well in my estimation throughout. taylor was wildly inconsistent and out of position.the 97 yarder was a shocker, you don't see the rollout in that spot much and I think once Claiborne bit it was over. I can forgive that mistake because if they would have played a soft prevent I would have bitched about that too.

I agree with your JJ comments but J. Lee HAS to get a series or two. JJ loked a lot looser and the read option was a giant improvement, and when he blew it and made the wrong call the recognition of his mistake was clearly obvious to him. So he KNOWS what he's doing now, much more in command.

Stampley is NOT horrible, he just came in high too much. He needs to lower his head and drive with his legs and not his shoulders.

The Crowton bitchfest is mistaken imho upon further review. The flow, or lack thereof was due to turnovers.

The last 11:00 of the game are unwatchable and Chavis needs to tighten that up. Period. That was a MELTDOWN and we are lucky we held on.
Posted by Jason
Member since Nov 2003
3096 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 11:41 am to
I've rewatched the game twice and I still feel the same way I did after the game was over.
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 11:49 am to
quote:

The offensive staff has clearly made improvements in everything from gameplan, to personnel use,


I can't disagree too much with the rest of your post, but this I do. Any time you have the same RB fumble twice in one game, unless he's Darren McFadden or something, it's not good personnel use. There used to be a time when LSU running backs just flat did not fumble. If one did, he got a long time on the bench (more than 1 game) to figure out that it's not acceptable to fumble. Ridley should ride the bench until he figures that out.
Posted by TIGERforLIFEinTX
Kingwood, TX
Member since Jul 2007
526 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 11:52 am to
The emotion of the game can cause carziness, me included. Plan to rewatch game today and hopefully draw more reasonable conclusions. While riding the MARTA back to hotel, initial reaction was to fire multiple coaches and bench many on team. Hope to have a different view after ready this post and re-watching game. Geaux Tigers!
Posted by tigerfoot
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Member since Sep 2006
56508 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 12:07 pm to
quote:

No one should be allowed to post anything, positive or negative, without rewatching the game.


This is a good rule.

I violated it and spewed a bunch of drunken garbage Saturday.

Generally, when you watch it clearly, knowing the results, you can focus on the actual performance...not the outcome.
Posted by TeaRay
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2007
39 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 12:09 pm to
Excellent Post!!

I felt much better about the direction of the team after watching the replay last night....

Things could be a LOT worse..... We could be posting thoughts about our team's loss to Jacksonville State!!

Sure wouldn't wanna be a rebel fan today!!


I'll take the win... let's move on... get better... and get ready for Vandy

Posted by biglego
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Member since Nov 2007
76577 posts
Posted on 9/6/10 at 1:12 pm to
I think the knee jerk reaction is to blame Mile for this ugly win. But really, Miles did not miss the FG. Miles did not fumble. Miles did not get beat in the secondary. And Miles did not allow UNC to keep the illegal onside kick.

Jefferson was better--I saw him make some reads to second and third options on pass plays. And his INT was a poor attempt at getting the ball out of bounds. Of course JJ is still not and probably never will be what I consider "good", but he is better and played well enough to blow UNC away.

Miles deserves blame for many things. The OL is still not good, and that might be a matter of personnel and recruiting--legitimate criticism of Miles.

Everyone loves Miles' hiring of Chavis, Gonzales, and Wilson, but I didn't see any great improvement in their respective areas. Is that Miles' fault?





Posted by biglego
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Posted on 9/6/10 at 1:16 pm to
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OL was VERY solid. And no, those were not scrubs they were playing against. They aren't scrubs anymore than Brockers or Downs, our 2nd string DTs are, and they got pushed off the ball all night in the run game, and didn't get a sack. And T-Bob, who I wanted cut after watching the game, played really well and DID NOT hold on that TD. He absolutely pancaked his man. HORRIBLE CALL. Improvement here was VERY obvious.

I've been wanting TBob benched too, but in all honesty I dont really watch him during games very closely. The OL did look much better than last year, but still not that great IMO. But damn, last year was a low bar to improve on.
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