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Posted on 4/6/10 at 6:42 pm to The Gooch
Of course not. That is ridiculous. But its equally ridiculous when people say that he gets a pass because he was great for 2 years in college. That logic is why athletes feel such a sense of entitlement.
Halls of Fame and retired Jerseys should be lifetime achievement awards. Although most retired jerseys are given way to soon in my opinion. Regardless, you should not be honored as one of the greatest of all time if you even have to have the conversation of... " he was great at insert school but his actions ..."
I am just pointing out the logical flaws in the thread. However, although I do not agree, if you do not have a problem with what he did, then it is certainly logical for his jersey to be retired. There is no logical flaw in that argument. Religious/Political ones, perhaps, but not a logical flaw.
Halls of Fame and retired Jerseys should be lifetime achievement awards. Although most retired jerseys are given way to soon in my opinion. Regardless, you should not be honored as one of the greatest of all time if you even have to have the conversation of... " he was great at insert school but his actions ..."
I am just pointing out the logical flaws in the thread. However, although I do not agree, if you do not have a problem with what he did, then it is certainly logical for his jersey to be retired. There is no logical flaw in that argument. Religious/Political ones, perhaps, but not a logical flaw.
This post was edited on 4/6/10 at 6:43 pm
Posted on 4/6/10 at 6:42 pm to TheDoc
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Posted on 4/6/10 at 7:07 pm to Rebel
Well I wasn't but I can't pass this up without saying my mind.
As a military man myself of 19 years and veteran of several conflicts with many tours in Desert Shielf, Desert Storm, Operation Enduring Freedom, Operation Iraqi Freedom, Bosnia, etc so on I can say I put my arse on the line in combat to provide the very blanket of freedom little turd wannabe muslim asses like MAR and so many other damn people living in our country that hate America. I say it's time we all as Americans wake the hell up and say, "If you dont like it here get the hell out"
I couldnt believe one poster on here had the nerve to say CJ or MAR was still a God and we should bow to him because he played basketball. Get a life dude. You're an idiot to even say something like that.
As a military man myself of 19 years and veteran of several conflicts with many tours in Desert Shielf, Desert Storm, Operation Enduring Freedom, Operation Iraqi Freedom, Bosnia, etc so on I can say I put my arse on the line in combat to provide the very blanket of freedom little turd wannabe muslim asses like MAR and so many other damn people living in our country that hate America. I say it's time we all as Americans wake the hell up and say, "If you dont like it here get the hell out"
I couldnt believe one poster on here had the nerve to say CJ or MAR was still a God and we should bow to him because he played basketball. Get a life dude. You're an idiot to even say something like that.
Posted on 4/6/10 at 7:10 pm to TheDoc
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yes or no:
do Americans have the right to not stand up during the pledge?
yes americans have that right.
im not even gonna make the obvious rebuttal though.
This post was edited on 4/6/10 at 7:28 pm
Posted on 4/6/10 at 7:11 pm to slackster
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Of course not. That is ridiculous. But its equally ridiculous when people say that he gets a pass because he was great for 2 years in college. That logic is why athletes feel such a sense of entitlement.
He doesn't get a pass. He earned his spot in LSU lure during his 2 years in college.
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Halls of Fame and retired Jerseys should be lifetime achievement awards. Although most retired jerseys are given way to soon in my opinion. Regardless, you should not be honored as one of the greatest of all time if you even have to have the conversation of... " he was great at insert school but his actions ..."
I never understand why people want to glorify athletes and turn them into more than they are. What he does off the court (unless it's extremely treacherous like your OJ example) should have zero bearing on deciding his fate as it pertains to honors such as the Hall of Fame or retired jerseys.
Posted on 4/6/10 at 7:35 pm to FootballNostradamus
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I never understand why people want to glorify athletes and turn them into more than they are. What he does off the court (unless it's extremely treacherous like your OJ example) should have zero bearing on deciding his fate as it pertains to honors such as the Hall of Fame or retired jerseys.
If all you are is an athlete, a peon drug out for our entertainment, than your certainly correct. But if you want to take your son to a game at the PMAC and point into the rafters at the retired jersey of Chris Jackson and say son, " He was one of the all-time greats, but ignore the decisions he made post-LSU because all that matters is he wore yellow and purple!" Go right ahead. I would much rather point up and say son, " Shaq was one of the all-time greats and has been an ambassador for the LSU program for a long time. He is viewed with wild adoration around the world. That is why his jersey will never be worn by another LSU basketball player."
Furthermore, my opinion means nothing with regard to my previous post. A logical flaw still exist and I was simply pointing it out.
Posted on 4/6/10 at 8:00 pm to slackster
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If all you are is an athlete, a peon drug out for our entertainment, than your certainly correct. But if you want to take your son to a game at the PMAC and point into the rafters at the retired jersey of Chris Jackson and say son, " He was one of the all-time greats, but ignore the decisions he made post-LSU because all that matters is he wore yellow and purple!" Go right ahead. I would much rather point up and say son, " Shaq was one of the all-time greats and has been an ambassador for the LSU program for a long time. He is viewed with wild adoration around the world. That is why his jersey will never be worn by another LSU basketball player."
To each his own. I don't think it's that difficult for a father to explain to a son that CJ was an incredible athlete who gave everything to a University but happens to think differently than we do.
Also, this obsession with Shaq as a shining light for LSU has always been overrated IMO. Everyone loves Shaq because he's one of the most larger than life characters and personalities in sports history. It's not because he was such a remarkable ambassador or marketer of LSU.
Posted on 4/6/10 at 10:25 pm to slackster
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But if you want to take your son to a game at the PMAC and point into the rafters at the retired jersey of Chris Jackson and say son, " He was one of the all-time greats"
That's what the retiring of a jersy is...there's no need to go further. No one is retiring his life...they are honoring his playing days.
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I would much rather point up and say son, " Shaq was one of the all-time greats and has been an ambassador for the LSU program for a long time. He is viewed with wild adoration around the world. That is why his jersey will never be worn by another LSU basketball player."
Do that, and it would be nice info to add...but wholely outside of why his jersey was retired in the first place.
Posted on 4/7/10 at 12:27 am to GeauxTigerTM
I understand both of your points. I disagree, but I understand them.
Posted on 4/7/10 at 1:08 am to GeauxTigerTM
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GeauxTigerTM
I don't have the patience you're displaying to deal with these irrationalities. So...
Posted on 4/7/10 at 7:20 am to tubucoco
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he's more like a Farrakhan muslim, big difference.
NO! Farrakhan is the MOST prejudice POS that EVER lived. He readily admits he HATES white Americans. He CHOSE Muslim for their hatred towards white Americans who were supposedly the representation of American politics. The whites were opressing the African Americans. So he chose violence instead of love e.g. Malcolm X. Hatred is a sin. PERIOD! Marin Luther King was truly a GREAT American who I believed did more for the advancement of African Americans than anyone else. He taught that people of ALL color should live in peace together. He brought a message of love and of hope. My hope is that CJ doesn't share in those beliefs of Farrakhan.
I really do not care if he is Hindu, Muslim, or whatever. If he is living in this country, benefitting from what it has to offer including freedom of speech and expression, then he should behove in a manner to not disrespect it. Larry Johnson is a muslim, but he still stood for the pledge and national anthem.
Posted on 4/7/10 at 7:34 am to Jaketigger
If all MLK talked about was love and hope, he'd might be alive today, though pretty old and he wouldn't have had folk trying to kill him.
He was a radical.
He was a radical.
Posted on 4/7/10 at 9:37 am to Rocket
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He was a radical
Posted on 4/7/10 at 9:41 am to The Gooch
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As a military man myself of 19 years and veteran of several conflicts with many tours in Desert Shielf, Desert Storm, Operation Enduring Freedom, Operation Iraqi Freedom, Bosnia, etc so on I can say I put my arse on the line in combat to provide the very blanket of freedom little turd wannabe muslim asses like MAR and so many other damn people living in our country that hate America. I say it's time we all as Americans wake the hell up and say, "If you dont like it here get the hell out"
There....you said it...now I guess they are leaving
Posted on 4/7/10 at 9:55 am to FanInLA
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Former NBA star Abdul-Rauf has kept the faith
bit of a stretch, no?
Posted on 4/7/10 at 6:49 pm to Rocket
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If all MLK talked about was love and hope, he'd might be alive today, though pretty old and he wouldn't have had folk trying to kill him.
radical words that both White and Black americans can live in peace - for that time yeah. BUT he NEVER spoke of hatred toward ANY race. He said "want to see a time when a man is judged by the content of his character - not the color of his skin". He was radical FOR his time. That time was NEVER about Hatred!
Posted on 4/7/10 at 6:56 pm to Jaketigger
after reading all this shite, all you mutha frickas are crazy and radical, how bout that? 
This post was edited on 4/7/10 at 6:57 pm
Posted on 4/7/10 at 7:17 pm to Jaketigger
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radical words that both White and Black americans can live in peace - for that time yeah
It's clear to me that you haven't read alot of what MLK wrote. He was about justice, not holding hands with each other.
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He said "want to see a time when a man is judged by the content of his character - not the color of his skin
You need to read that entire speech. He talked about America giving black folk a check that came back marked insufficient funds and that if the nation returned to business as usual, it would be in for a rude awakening. He talked about reaping what you sow. No, he didn't preach hatred but you don't think he was about justice, you know even less about MLK than I think you do.
Posted on 4/7/10 at 10:46 pm to Rocket
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No, he didn't preach hatred but you don't think he was about justice, you know even less about MLK than I think you do.
THAT.
This whole discussion started about hatred towards a country, other people. I said I hoped CJ was not like Farrakhan and hated white people. I am neither black or white, but was born and raised here as a Christian. I have been discriminated against, but would NEVER hate another human being and I LOVE this country!
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