re: Miles/Payton

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Why are you hung up on Saban?

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I'm not. Many of the Miles haters are.

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LSU under Miles is two years removed from a Championship.

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But he should be fired?

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Saban just went to two straight SEC Champ games (winning 1) and a BCS Champ game (winning it). Just looking at the state of the programs, where would you want to be.

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Right now, the programs are roughly on the same level.

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I know this will be hard, but leave the coaches out of the equation.

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How is that possible when all we've heard for 5 years from the Miles haters is either or both of, "Saban rebuilt the program from nothing" (not true), and "Miles is winning with Saban's players"(technically he recruited a number of them, but the 2007 team had very little coaching or influence from the Saban era). Also, as both are now coaching in the SEC west, and Saban having won a championship at LSU, how is it even conceptually possible to leave the coaches out of it?

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Which program would you want LSU to look like?

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Like LSU, with LSU's traditions and history. The fact of the matter is, the "Miles Haters" have NO RATIONAL OBJECTIVE basis upon which to dislike Miles, other than "He's not Saban." At similar points in their careers, their objective accomplishments are nearly identical. Very nearly identical.

*Miles did get his first HC gig at a later age than did Saban, thus the 2 year age difference, but Saban's 7(?) additional years of head coaching.