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re: Media more outraged that the Saints beat the Vikings

Posted on 1/26/10 at 1:59 pm to
Posted by Sophandros
Victoria Concordia Crescit
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Posted on 1/26/10 at 1:59 pm to
Excellent comment from the link I provided:

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While the Vikings out-gained the Saints by a lot of yards, at least some of that yardage advantage was not meaningful.
First, the TD drives. The Vikings scored TDs on drives that gained 290 yards. The Saints scored their TDs on drives totalling 184 yards because they twice converted excellent field position into TDs, once after the Roby KO return to the MIN37 and once after recovering a fumble on the MIN7. The Vikings only scored once on a relatively short field (their last TD, starting at the MIN43) and blew their other short field chance at the NO10. But the NO offense did all it could with their two short-field chances - if the Vikings defense was really "dominating" (Vince's word) the Saints, they would have held on those possessions and left the Saints' with one chip shot FG and one long try; the extra 100+ yards the Vikings gained may not tell us anything about how much better they were playing than the Saints.
Second, MIN had four drives where they gained substantial yardage but did not come away with points immediately. One of those drives, early in the 4th period, gained 60+ yards before ending in Berrian's fumble. The Vikings defense held - thanks in part to Brees blowing a snap - and forced a punt from the NO14, resulting in the Vikings getting the ball at the MIN43. That drive, although it did not result in points, helped change the field position and set up the Vikings final TD, so it had some value. On three other drives, which gained about 150 yards, the Vikings did not even accrue any field position.
-After the Saints' 2nd TD, the Vikings started at their 20, drove in Saints' territory, and punted. The defense held NO w/o a 1st down, but the punt moved the Vikings back to the MIN24. Despite out-gaining the Saints by 20+ yards on that exchange of possessions, the Vikings only netted 4 yards of field position.
- Early in the 3rd period, the Vikings drove from the MIN10 over 50 yards before Favre threw his 1st pick (the play where he got hit below the knees). Again the Saints couldn't get a 1st down but the punt left the Vikings on the MIN17. Over 40+ yards of offense and a 15-yard penalty, a 30+ yard offensive advantage for the Vikings, and the net on the exchange was 7 yards. (Two plays later the Harvin fumble gave the Saints the ball at the MIN7).
- And on the Vikings' final drive, they gained over 40 yards before turning it over.
The Vikings offense generated almost 100 yards more than the Saints on those three possessions that was rendered essentially meaningless because of turnovers (their own poor play or the Saints' good play, take your pick) and excellent punting,which was the heart of Aaron's comments.
Roughly 200 yards of extra yardage gained that turned into no extra points or field position advantage. Turnovers and punts are part of the game too.
Posted by DestrehanTiger
Houston, TX by way of Louisiana
Member since Nov 2005
12495 posts
Posted on 1/26/10 at 2:04 pm to
I feel like that expressed everything I've been thinking for the past two days.........well with actual facts to back it up. Morstead was so huge in the game. I get annoyed when fans and analysts forget that punters and kickers get paid to play the game just like the rest of the players.
Posted by noonan
Nassau Bay, TX
Member since Aug 2005
36904 posts
Posted on 1/26/10 at 2:16 pm to
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Turnovers and punts are part of the game too.


i am glad someone said this.

i don't get why the vikings are given a pass on the turnovers but the saints have to deal with this talk.

if the vikings were the better team then maybe they should have held onto the ball.

none of it matters to me. we could have played like complete crap but we are still going to miami.

when i got to work on monday one of my coworkers asked me how much our fans paid the refs (he was just messing around) and i just said that i was happy someone finally did.

pay no attention to the haters. in 20 years the vikings will be forgotten about. we will still remember the first time we went to the super bowl.
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