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Posted on 12/2/09 at 4:40 pm
Posted by Ziggy
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Posted on 12/2/09 at 4:40 pm
I've always done my taxes myself via online at sites like TaxSlayer, etc. It's only been myself that I claim so it's been relatively easy to do. I think for the most part I've always done standard deductions, never itemized.

This year, however, I bought a house in March and got married in July.

I'm wondering: how much harder will it be now to do my taxes via online? Would it be better to go to an accountant this time around?

TIA.


ETA: Also, any tips/comments/suggestions are welcome.
This post was edited on 12/2/09 at 4:46 pm
Posted by Poodlebrain
Way Right of Rex
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 12/2/09 at 7:01 pm to
How much do you value your leisure time? Preparing your own return using commercially available software comes with the cost of some of your leisure time. The amount of time increases with the complexity of your return. It shouldn't take too long to prepare a return for a family with all income reported on W-2's, a small investment portfolio, and itemized deductions related to home ownership.

Once you go outside these areas you have to factor in time to learn about the tax laws, regulations and reporting requirements. So the time to prepare the return increases and uses more of your leisure time. When the total value of your leisure time needed to prepare your own return exceeds the cost of hiring a professional to prepare your return it is time to hire the professional.

You are the one who has to decide how much your leisure time is worth.
Posted by Zilla
Member since Jul 2005
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Posted on 12/2/09 at 7:03 pm to
This post was edited on 12/2/09 at 7:04 pm
Posted by Tigerpaw123
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2007
17887 posts
Posted on 12/2/09 at 7:40 pm to
Taxes are likely your largest expenditure, and yes you can prob do them yourself, but I feel better knowing that a professional does mine, I mean they know how to dot the i and cross the t, I dont mind spending a few hundred bucks and knowing I did everything I could to lessen my tax liabality, and I am talking about a professional CPA, not the h&r block guy in front of walmark
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 12/2/09 at 8:45 pm to
quote:

Poodlebrain


quote:

You are the one who has to decide how much your leisure time is worth.


This.

The typical tax situation isn't all that hard if you know how to parse English, but if you have a really complex situation you could spend a lot of time and still not get the right answer, it's almost certainly better hiring a real expert there.
Posted by Ziggy
Member since Oct 2007
22123 posts
Posted on 12/3/09 at 7:04 am to
quote:

Poodlebrain



quote:

It shouldn't take too long to prepare a return for a family with all income reported on W-2's, a small investment portfolio, and itemized deductions related to home ownership.

This is essentially my situation, so it looks like I can probably manage it myself.

Dumb question: now that I have a home, it's almost always likely that I will do itemized deductions now or?
Posted by Newbomb Turk
perfectanschlagen
Member since May 2008
9961 posts
Posted on 12/3/09 at 7:45 am to
quote:

Dumb question: now that I have a home, it's almost always likely that I will do itemized deductions now or?


First, for a married couple, if you have no other Sch. A deductions (charit. donations, health care cost, etc.), then you would need to have at least $11,400 in interest payments for the year. Otherwise, you just use the standard deduction. This is part of what's known as the marriage penalty, i.e., if you were just living with your S/O and paid the mortgage yourself, you'd only need $5,700 in morrgage interest to reach the threshhold AND your S/O would get an additional $5,700 standard deduction.

Also, keep in mind that the standard deduction goes up every year and the amount you pay in interest goes down every year (in most situations with a 30- or 15-year fixed mortgage).

Look down the Sch. A and you can see generally what other deductions itemizing entitles you to.

Schedule A Instructions
Posted by Ziggy
Member since Oct 2007
22123 posts
Posted on 12/3/09 at 8:00 am to
quote:

First, for a married couple, if you have no other Sch. A deductions (charit. donations, health care cost, etc.), then you would need to have at least $11,400 in interest payments for the year. Otherwise, you just use the standard deduction. This is part of what's known as the marriage penalty,

Well, that sucks.
Posted by Poodlebrain
Way Right of Rex
Member since Jan 2004
19860 posts
Posted on 12/3/09 at 9:42 am to
Yes, you will most likely benefit from itemizing your deductions. In addition to the deduction for mortgage interest expense you can deduct your property taxes, state income tax, charitable contributions as well as other expenses you may incur. For Louisiana purposes you can deduct your homeowners insurance premiums as well as claim a credit for the Fair Plan assessment portion of your insurance.
Posted by Ziggy
Member since Oct 2007
22123 posts
Posted on 12/3/09 at 10:03 am to
quote:

Yes, you will most likely benefit from itemizing your deductions

But not if they don't exceed the $11,400, right?
Posted by Newbomb Turk
perfectanschlagen
Member since May 2008
9961 posts
Posted on 12/3/09 at 11:44 am to
quote:

But not if they don't exceed the $11,400, right?


Together, they have to add up to $11,400.

Also, looking at Sch. A, you can see that some deduction are subject to certain limitations (e.g., misc. itemized). After applying these limitations all itemized deductions must be greater than $11,400 for it to be worth anything. Otherwise, just use the standard deduction.
This post was edited on 12/3/09 at 11:46 am
Posted by Poodlebrain
Way Right of Rex
Member since Jan 2004
19860 posts
Posted on 12/3/09 at 12:05 pm to
quote:

But not if they don't exceed the $11,400, right?

Yes, your itemized deductions will have to exceed $11,400. If your itemized deductions are less than $11,400, then you should view the amount the standard deduction exceeds your itemized deductions as a gift from the government.
Posted by Martavius
Member since Nov 2005
16019 posts
Posted on 12/3/09 at 12:24 pm to
quote:

First, for a married couple, if you have no other Sch. A deductions (charit. donations, health care cost, etc.), then you would need to have at least $11,400

If he itemizes, he'll also be able to deduct state, property and ad velorem taxes as well as a sales tax deduction.

If he's paying a note on, just a guess here, a $150K or more 30 year note, he'll exceed the standard deduction no problem.
This post was edited on 12/3/09 at 12:26 pm
Posted by Ziggy
Member since Oct 2007
22123 posts
Posted on 12/3/09 at 1:07 pm to
quote:

If he's paying a note on, just a guess here, a $150K or more 30 year note, he'll exceed the standard deduction no problem.

Yes, but I'm married too, so it doubles to $11,400. In that case, it's not that easy.
Posted by Martavius
Member since Nov 2005
16019 posts
Posted on 12/3/09 at 1:14 pm to
quote:

Yes, but I'm married too, so it doubles to $11,400. In that case, it's not that easy.

A $200K 30 year loan at 5% is roughly $10K a year in interest. Deductions for state and property taxes are going to add up to a few grand more. Then you ahve other deductions like charitable contributions, ad velorem taxes, student loan interest, etc that may be available to you as well.
Posted by Ziggy
Member since Oct 2007
22123 posts
Posted on 12/3/09 at 1:20 pm to
quote:

A $200K 30 year loan at 5% is roughly $10K a year in interest. Deductions for state and property taxes are going to add up to a few grand more. Then you ahve other deductions like charitable contributions, ad velorem taxes, student loan interest, etc that may be available to you as well.

If my next payment is due on 1/01/2010, I presume the mortgage interest rolls onto 2010, yes? Because right now I don't have $10K in interest - I haven't had the house for 1 full year though either, only about 9 months.

So, you're saying I put BOTH my wife and I's state income taxes on itemized deductions as well as our property taxes?

How do charitable contributions work when it's cash?
Posted by Martavius
Member since Nov 2005
16019 posts
Posted on 12/3/09 at 1:44 pm to
quote:

If my next payment is due on 1/01/2010, I presume the mortgage interest rolls onto 2010, yes? Because right now I don't have $10K in interest - I haven't had the house for 1 full year though either, only about 9 months.

Your loan servicer will send you a 1098 showing the amount of interest paid in 2009. If you only paid a partial year, you may be better with the standard deduction. Most online programs will walk you through itemizing and then you can tell which is better.

quote:

So, you're saying I put BOTH my wife and I's state income taxes on itemized deductions as well as our property taxes?

If you are filing jointly, yes.

quote:

How do charitable contributions work when it's cash?

My cash donations are pretty small so I just use cancelled checks and/or reciepts from the organization. I'm sure you need more documentation for larger amounts. Most of my donations are non-cash.
Posted by Ziggy
Member since Oct 2007
22123 posts
Posted on 12/3/09 at 1:45 pm to
quote:

Your loan servicer will send you a 1098 showing the amount of interest paid in 2009. If you only paid a partial year, you may be better with the standard deduction. Most online programs will walk you through itemizing and then you can tell which is better.

Gotcha.

quote:

If you are filing jointly, yes.

I think if I used the current amount of my mortgage interest paid to date, with our property taxes and both of our state income taxes to date, we'll probably be over the $11,400 mark.

ETA: Thanks for all the help guys. It's much appreciated.
This post was edited on 12/3/09 at 1:46 pm
Posted by Poodlebrain
Way Right of Rex
Member since Jan 2004
19860 posts
Posted on 12/3/09 at 3:25 pm to
quote:

Most of my donations are non-cash.

You can claim up to $500 of non-cash charitable contributions without providing any sort of information to the IRS. Once you go above $500 you have to attach a Form 8283.
Posted by Ziggy
Member since Oct 2007
22123 posts
Posted on 12/3/09 at 3:27 pm to
Poodle,

What about Energy Star appliances and such? I bought a fridge and washer/dryer this year for my home. Are there any type of credits for this or no?

TIA.

And BTW, I've done about $400 charitable donations, but I have no receipts or anything.
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