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re: Miles Comparison
Posted on 11/20/09 at 2:31 pm to smoke101302
Posted on 11/20/09 at 2:31 pm to smoke101302
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just curiuos doc........... do u consider u myer, p carrol, j tressel, b stoops, m brown elite coaches?
I would rate Meyer and Saban as probably the top two coaches because they win consistently and have built down programs in the SEC. Saban has revitalized two down SEC programs in the last decade and brought one a national title and may do the same with the other. Meyer is within view of his third national title and coaches in the SEC. The fact that this is performed in the SEC makes them greater in my mind.
I would put Carrol and Tressel on a lower rung due to conference and the losses they seem to have every year. I may even place Tressel above Carroll. I am not too sure Carroll could have the success he has had outside of Los Angelas...he is a perfect fit in that environment.
Brown is not, and has not been, all that impressive to me. Brown and Stoops are similar to me. Stoops is suffering from really bad luck this year with his top two players being out most of the season. I would probably place Stoops above Brown. I think Brown is perhaps on a par or a touch better than Miles.
I think there are unproven coaches out there that may be in the league of all of the aforementioned coaches if given the opportunity. Patterson and Kelly come to mind. I still think Butch Davis at a school like LSU could be quite deadly.
So, in summary, I think Miles is probably a Top 10 to 15 coach. However, I would like to believe that LSU is better than just a Top 10 or 15 school. I realize that is asking a lot and that there will be down years. However, LSU has certain distinct advantages that most programs can only dream of. As such, I hold them to a high standard.
Posted on 11/20/09 at 3:00 pm to DeltaDoc
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Saban has revitalized two down SEC programs in the last decade and brought one a national title and may do the same with the other
You may actually be suffering from Sabanitis. Obviously, you forget 2002 and 2004 at LSU. Not sure if you should consider a Bama as down SEC program before Saban took over. In 2005, when LSU played Bama they were 9-0 and ranked no. 3.
If Saban has a bad year in 2010, will it be because Bama is depleted of all Shula talent?
There was similar griping in 2004. People thought Saban was more focused on his NFL opportunities. Rantards then suggested that 2-3 of the wins that year should have been losses.
Do my statements above disparage Saban. Heck yeah! Does that make him a bad coach. Hell No! Quite a few factors affect a team's performance each year. Injuries, schedule, recruits that pan out or not. Some 5* recruits did not pan out at LSU. Some due to injuries (Amp Lee). If same thing happened at Bama over the next couple of years, that does not make Saban a bad coach or poor recruiter. Sometimes its the luck of the draw.
This focus on Saban is an attempt to show that Saban could fail, if stuff happened like it did in 2002 and 2004. Miles is going through it. But he does not have the luxury of following poor/bad coaches like Saban did at LSU, Miami, and Bama. Like Saban says its 'relative'.
Posted on 11/20/09 at 3:49 pm to DeltaDoc
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I would rate Meyer and Saban as probably the top two coaches because they win consistently and have built down programs in the SEC. Saban has revitalized two down SEC programs in the last decade and brought one a national title and may do the same with the other. Meyer is within view of his third national title and coaches in the SEC. The fact that this is performed in the SEC makes them greater in my mind.
I would put Carrol and Tressel on a lower rung due to conference and the losses they seem to have every year. I may even place Tressel above Carroll. I am not too sure Carroll could have the success he has had outside of Los Angelas...he is a perfect fit in that environment.
Brown is not, and has not been, all that impressive to me. Brown and Stoops are similar to me. Stoops is suffering from really bad luck this year with his top two players being out most of the season. I would probably place Stoops above Brown. I think Brown is perhaps on a par or a touch better than Miles.
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WOW. Just wow. According to this there are perhaps two worthy college coaches in the country. For the record, Saban has 1 NC, Meyer has two (and for the record, inherited good talent), Miles has one, Stoops has 1 and 3 other NC appearances and Brown has 1. These men have coached the teams that have been the elite programs for the last 8-10 years.
My guess is that you would rate Bear Bryant as average because he only won SEC Championships in 13 of his 25 seasons.
I would rate Meyer and Saban as probably the top two coaches because they win consistently and have built down programs in the SEC. Saban has revitalized two down SEC programs in the last decade and brought one a national title and may do the same with the other. Meyer is within view of his third national title and coaches in the SEC. The fact that this is performed in the SEC makes them greater in my mind.
I would put Carrol and Tressel on a lower rung due to conference and the losses they seem to have every year. I may even place Tressel above Carroll. I am not too sure Carroll could have the success he has had outside of Los Angelas...he is a perfect fit in that environment.
Brown is not, and has not been, all that impressive to me. Brown and Stoops are similar to me. Stoops is suffering from really bad luck this year with his top two players being out most of the season. I would probably place Stoops above Brown. I think Brown is perhaps on a par or a touch better than Miles.
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WOW. Just wow. According to this there are perhaps two worthy college coaches in the country. For the record, Saban has 1 NC, Meyer has two (and for the record, inherited good talent), Miles has one, Stoops has 1 and 3 other NC appearances and Brown has 1. These men have coached the teams that have been the elite programs for the last 8-10 years.
My guess is that you would rate Bear Bryant as average because he only won SEC Championships in 13 of his 25 seasons.
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