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re: Dale Murphy, HOF?? Should be!!!!
Posted on 8/3/09 at 9:35 am to Baloo
Posted on 8/3/09 at 9:35 am to Baloo
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Rice was certainly a better slugger than Murphy or Dawson. But he couldn’t play defense at all and was a liability on the basepaths. Also, aside from one great season late in his career, he was effectively done as a top hitter at age 30. Albert Belle is the player people think Jim Rice is, and I don’t see people clamoring to put him in the Hall.
Murphy and Dawson are also centerfielders, and let’s be honest, that’s a different position than the corner OF slot. Offense isn’t quite as important because of the defensive responsibility. Relative to their position, Dawson and Murphy are better hitters.
Good stuff on the positional issues. I agree with most of what you have to say concerning them.
Let me be clear about my stance on all 3 players. I don't think any of the three belong in the HOF. I think all three are definitely borderline cases....cases falling just short of a (ok...to be fair...my) HOF standard.
This post was edited on 8/3/09 at 9:37 am
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Posted on 8/3/09 at 10:17 am to MStreetTiger
You can ONLY compare a guy against his era. In the end, it boils down to your numbers. How many hits? How many homers? What average? As a player drifts further into the past, all that is left is his statistical record. And those numbers mean nothing without context.
Famously, home runs are devalued in the 1990s. A 30 HR hitter in 1968 is more valuable than a 30 HR hitter in 1998. Conversely, a 4.50 ERA is league average in 1998, and would get you sent to AAA in 1968. There was a time when a 300 BA was league average. Not so much anymore. Teams don’t run as much as they used to, so a stolen base threat is more valuable now. Context is everything. The first question you should ask is: how does he measure up to his contemporaries?
MStreet – I essentially agree. All are borderline cases and I think the Hall of Fame loses no credibility leaving them out. Conversely, it loses none by letting them in. They are right on the cusp. I think they let the wrong guy in, but it’s not an outrage. Honestly, Raines is my pet candidate (aside from Blyleven – who I do think is genuinely outrageous is not enshrined).
Famously, home runs are devalued in the 1990s. A 30 HR hitter in 1968 is more valuable than a 30 HR hitter in 1998. Conversely, a 4.50 ERA is league average in 1998, and would get you sent to AAA in 1968. There was a time when a 300 BA was league average. Not so much anymore. Teams don’t run as much as they used to, so a stolen base threat is more valuable now. Context is everything. The first question you should ask is: how does he measure up to his contemporaries?
MStreet – I essentially agree. All are borderline cases and I think the Hall of Fame loses no credibility leaving them out. Conversely, it loses none by letting them in. They are right on the cusp. I think they let the wrong guy in, but it’s not an outrage. Honestly, Raines is my pet candidate (aside from Blyleven – who I do think is genuinely outrageous is not enshrined).
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