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re: Nola
Posted on 5/22/09 at 11:10 pm to moneyg
Posted on 5/22/09 at 11:10 pm to moneyg
Well, if a guy is sacrificing himself, his numbers should suffer. Get it? That's part of the sacrifice.
It's esoteric, but it skews it to leave out the bunt. OBP is siupposed to measure something really basic: how often does a guy get on base when he comes up to the plate. If you sacrifice, you don't get on base. It's an out. It's not that important, really, but it skews the number to take out bunts. It rewards getting out. Or fails to punish it. You don't see the true picture of the player. There's a reason Nola bunts a lot.
It's esoteric, but it skews it to leave out the bunt. OBP is siupposed to measure something really basic: how often does a guy get on base when he comes up to the plate. If you sacrifice, you don't get on base. It's an out. It's not that important, really, but it skews the number to take out bunts. It rewards getting out. Or fails to punish it. You don't see the true picture of the player. There's a reason Nola bunts a lot.
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Posted on 5/22/09 at 11:20 pm to Baloo
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It's esoteric, but it skews it to leave out the bunt. OBP is siupposed to measure something really basic: how often does a guy get on base when he comes up to the plate. If you sacrifice, you don't get on base. It's an out. It's not that important, really, but it skews the number to take out bunts. It rewards getting out. Or fails to punish it. You don't see the true picture of the player. There's a reason Nola bunts a lot.
WTF are you talking about? Are your really arguing that OBP is calculated incorrectly? Should OBP include errors? Fielders' choices? And you think it would give a "truer" picture? Your position on this is ridiculous.
And, fyi, players aren't rewarded for sac bunts. They are taken out of the calculation altogether.
Posted on 5/22/09 at 11:45 pm to Baloo
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Well, if a guy is sacrificing himself, his numbers should suffer. Get it? That's part of the sacrifice.
It's esoteric, but it skews it to leave out the bunt. OBP is siupposed to measure something really basic: how often does a guy get on base when he comes up to the plate. If you sacrifice, you don't get on base. It's an out. It's not that important, really, but it skews the number to take out bunts. It rewards getting out. Or fails to punish it. You don't see the true picture of the player. There's a reason Nola bunts a lot.
When a player hits a sacrifice fly, the player's intent is usually not to hit a sacrifice fly. He is trying to hit a home run, or he is trying to get a base hit, etc., so the sacrifice fly is a possibly favorable outcome to a plate appearance that would be unfavorable if there were nobody on base.
A sacrifice bunt is different in that it is a deliberate act. Counting that against a player would be like counting negative rushing yards against a QB taking a knee at the end of a game. It would distort the statistic.
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