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re: Saints are embracing a "soft reset"

Posted on 5/2/24 at 7:35 am to
Posted by PureBlood
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Posted on 5/2/24 at 7:35 am to
Best case for this season is Derek Carr comes out playing really well and we can trade him off. Signing him to a 4 year deal was a disaster, IMO.
Posted by saints5021
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Posted on 5/2/24 at 7:47 am to
Carr played exactly at the level he is paid for (12th to 15th range for a starting QB). No one is trading for him. We have him at least two more years. Best case is he builds on last year's end and Kubiak's system is better.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/2/24 at 8:00 am to
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Best case for this season is Derek Carr comes out playing really well

With a new offense, and his history of learning new offenses, this is not likely

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and we can trade him off.

We just restructured him. This is effectively impossible.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 5/2/24 at 10:48 am to
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Best case for this season is Derek Carr comes out playing really well and we can trade him off. Signing him to a 4 year deal was a disaster, IMO.


They can't trade him. No one is going to want him with that contract.

Best case realistic scenario is that the defense continues to play relatively well, the offense with a different approach for the first time in 18 years shows improvement from last season, which allows the Saints to have a season similar to Tampa last year in an NFC South that while it might be better, still doesn't appear to have a dominant team. And the Saints do this ALL while being smart with the finances/assists. They don't restructure productive, but aging vets, just to compete now. If it is more cost effective to let them go than keep them, they do so. They don't buy high priced FA's they can't afford on the credit card. They don't trade a ton of future draft picks just to move up a few spots in the first or second round. They keep slowly getting younger and less expensive. If they can compete while doing so and remain somewhat interesting, fine. If not, that's ok too. But continue the path regardless of the results (at least for a few years)

Like others have said, they can't really afford to tear things down anyway. Continue to smartly build the roster so that maybe in a few years you have an opportunity to find a young QB to join an otherwise good roster. That worked for KC with Mahomes. It's worked for teams like Philly and San Francisco. It's not a 100% certainty that will work. But neither is drafting a QB at the top of the draft and sticking him on a team with little talent.

I think this season cemented the reality for the FO (and many fans) that the Brees/Payton run is completely over. The Saints aren't just a few players away from getting back to the Super Bowl, so spending money they don't have on a few high priced FAs or trading future draft picks for one more guy in the first or second round isn't going to get them there.
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 5/2/24 at 11:23 am to
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Derek Carr comes out playing really well

Has a history of starting slow with new offenses, then really starts picking up steam in the backend of the season. Only possibility of this happening is if Kubiak tailors his offense, play calling to something similar to what we ran last year.

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and we can trade him off

For starters, no trade clause
Then, there is the pesky cap implications. You would be looking at jumping his 2024 cap hit from $12.7M to $22.7M, and your 2025 cap hit drops from $51.5M to $50M. And for that $1.5M in savings, you don't have the chance to adjust the cap hit to get the team under the cap (could be viewed as a good or bad thing)
Finally, who do we roll out for the rest of the year? Peterman, Haener, Mond, Rattler?

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Signing him to a 4 year deal was a disaster, IMO.

Bringing in Carr for 4 years "could: have been a great move. The issue is the way the contract was structured basically holds the team hostage through 2026, maybe even longer depending on future restructures/extensions to manipulate the cap.
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