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re: Yesterday, the FBI showed up at the home of a Trump supporter in California. Video in link
Posted on 4/12/24 at 1:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 4/12/24 at 1:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Your argument is that by me only limiting that argument to the FBI, and ignoring the exponentially higher rate and cases of LEO abuse at the state and local level, would that become "fair"
This sentence doesn’t make sense.
you want to try and reword that?
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Posted on 4/12/24 at 1:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Did they break the law? Yes or no?
Who specifically? Which law(s)? and if so, were punishments consummate with similar actions by those that the left agrees with? If no, is there a problem you see with that?
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You know how to prevent all of this?
Decrease police power, Prescence, and intrusion into our lives. All of it.
You fix it by applying the law equally to all and stop politicizing the prosecution and sentencing of your political enemies. Which you still seem to stubbornly refuse to acknowledge is happening and the eventual consequences of it.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 1:05 pm to Taxing Authority
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I refuse to believe you believe this is true.
Dude a regular DWI 1st will run you $10k here.
You're not going to get a substantially higher fee for a comparable federal misdemeanor.
If you get a child porn case in the state or federal system, it's going to run you the same. The biggest difference is the attorney will likely make you pay everything up front for federal b/c it goes faster. That will run you $50-100k.
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Classic I didn't say what I said.
I am one of the few arguing the totality of government is not awesome and fair.
I am arguing against people minimizing the unfairness of local/state SEO and arguing that only the feds are real threats.
How is arguing the totality is not "Awesome and fair" what you said
(I cannot imagine hiring a defense attorney that thinks the government is awesome and fair)
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But it's your words, not mine.
Which ones?
Posted on 4/12/24 at 1:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Well, can you point to where you think it evens out then? No because it's not a partisan issue.
The Republicans arrested and prosecuted in response to losing the 2020 election are an insanely small % of the combined population of the 2.
This isn't a zero-sum scenario, and if it were, we'd need thousands more Patriots arrested/prosecuted to even it out.
So the point of trying to draw some comparison or parallel with black incarceration rates is?
Posted on 4/12/24 at 1:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
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2 of the major Trump prosecutions, and the recent admin action, are all state actions, not federal
So democrats in states they control are politicizing state law enforcement as well? No shite, huh?
Posted on 4/12/24 at 1:09 pm to moneyg
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This sentence doesn’t make sense.
you want to try and reword that?
I'll simplify it for you, with steps for you to follow.
You bring up arguing "fairly" by saying
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Instead of approaching a topic fairly you build a false premise and try to argue based off of it.
I specifically follow with
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We are over policed and we have too many criminal laws and those laws are almost always too draconian in nature.
You claim this is not a "fair" position.
Your argument is that the only way to make this fair, is by limiting that argument to the FBI, ignoring the abuse of LEO at the state/local levels.
How is that logical? How is picking and choosing only one of them "arguing fairly"?
Posted on 4/12/24 at 1:09 pm to lazlodawg
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if so, were punishments consummate with similar actions by those that the left agrees with?
whataboutism has entered the chat
Posted on 4/12/24 at 1:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
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You claim this is not a "fair" position.
This is false.
I never claimed that was not a fair position. That you think I did is evidence of your emotion getting in the way and causing you to infer something that wasn’t said.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 1:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Your argument is that the only way to make this fair, is by limiting that argument to the FBI, ignoring the abuse of LEO at the state/local levels.
I never made this argument. That you inferred I did is further evidence of emotional thinking.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 1:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Dude a regular DWI 1st will run you $10k here. You're not going to get a substantially higher fee for a comparable federal misdemeanor.
Won't even cover a hearing in a civil matter with an ALJ. Just stop. quote:No. That's a goalpost move. You arged that the FBI is unbiased. But keep throwing up the FUD.
I am one of the few arguing the totality of government is not awesome and fair.
quote:Are you OK? Hypoxic? Seem too young for cognitive issues... Here...
Which ones?
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Don't you mean, you can't imagine hiring an attorney who thinks that state and local governments are awesome and fair, and only the feds are bad?
This post was edited on 4/12/24 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 4/12/24 at 1:13 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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So the point of trying to draw some comparison or parallel with black incarceration rates is?
You can infer all sorts of variables about a given population caused the disproportionate incarceration rate.
That one was political (which is the excuse used by people making illogical arguments ITT), based on partisanship.
If more Democrats are incarcerated at disproportionate rates, then you can argue some sort of partisanship in the prosecutions.
But it's b/c that population commits the crimes at higher rates.
Same as what we saw following the election, for populations responding to the election.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 1:15 pm to thebigmuffaletta
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So democrats in states they control are politicizing state law enforcement as well? No shite, huh?
Every level of LEO/prosecutions abuses their power.
It's not just the feds
Posted on 4/12/24 at 1:16 pm to moneyg
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I never claimed that was not a fair position. That you think I did is evidence of your emotion getting in the way and causing you to infer something that wasn’t said.
Or just looking at the words you typed
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Instead of approaching a topic fairly
You said that, not me.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 1:16 pm to L.A.
The only thing missing is their swastika.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 1:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
Lawfair 101
Posted on 4/12/24 at 1:16 pm to moneyg
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I never made this argument. T
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Instead of approaching a topic fairly
Posted on 4/12/24 at 1:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
So you’re just trying to conflate, confuse, and obfuscate things. I guess that’s what I suspected.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 1:18 pm to Taxing Authority
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I am one of the few arguing the totality of government is not awesome and fair.
No. That's a goalpost move
Yep. Hes getting more dishonest by the day.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 1:19 pm to Taxing Authority
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Won't even cover a hearing in a civil matter
Why did you switch to civil?
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No. That's a goalpost move.
Nope. It's been my position on here for over a decade.
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You arged that the FBI is unbiased.
Not what I even said. They're biased to those outside of their power structure. The partisanship of that equation is irrelevant.
Trying to separate state and local LEO is irrational and almost assuredly based in in/out group dynamics and how that filters talking points. They're all bad.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 1:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
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if so, were punishments consummate with similar actions by those that the left agrees with?
whataboutism has entered the chat
This is the entirety of your rebuttal? Answer the questions honestly you fraud.
This looks like you have no response. You're more interested in thinking you are "right" than addressing the faults in your reasoning and modifying your opinion. You'll make an excellent soldier for the Party. Maybe even turn in a few neighbors for wrongthink and get a few extra rations.
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