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Ukraine will lose only if MAGA Republicans cut off U.S. aid

Posted on 4/5/24 at 6:35 pm
Posted by loogaroo
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Posted on 4/5/24 at 6:35 pm



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In 1940 and 1941, America First isolationists argued that the United States should not help Britain resist the Nazi onslaught because it had no chance to prevail. “I have been forced to the conclusion that we cannot win this war for England, regardless of how much assistance we extend,” Charles Lindbergh said on April 23, 1941.

Today’s America Firsters are voicing a similar refrain when it comes to Ukraine. Sen. Tommy Tuberville (R-Ala.) said: “I haven’t voted for any money to go to Ukraine because I know they can’t win.” Former president Donald Trump chimed in: “You’re really up against a war machine in Russia. … They defeated Hitler, they defeated Napoleon.” (This vaunted “war machine” lost the Crimean War, the Russo-Japanese War, World War I and the Soviet-Afghan war.) Many of these isolationists make it sound as though they are doing Ukraine a favor by hastening its defeat and occupation. “It doesn’t help the Ukrainian people,” Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah), said recently, “to prolong their suffering in this war.”

Just as the original America Firsters played into Adolf Hitler’s hands, so their ideological descendants play into Vladimir Putin’s. Dictators always want to convey a sense that their triumph is inevitable and that resistance is futile. Indeed, the MAGA Republicans sound indistinguishable from Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov, who said last year that Western aid deliveries “will not change anything” and “can only prolong the suffering of the Ukrainian people.”


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/03/04/ukraine-survival-war-united-states-aid-russia/

Bannon called this over a year agao.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
49850 posts
Posted on 4/5/24 at 6:38 pm to
Pearl Harbor and Russia saved Britain.


*Well, Hitler may have never bothered to invade them while keeping the rest of Europe.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
53713 posts
Posted on 4/5/24 at 6:40 pm to
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
99185 posts
Posted on 4/5/24 at 6:41 pm to
frick them.

Secure the integrity of USA sovereign borders, then worry about someone else's.
Posted by Captain Rumbeard
Member since Jan 2014
4189 posts
Posted on 4/5/24 at 6:42 pm to
NOT A DIME TILL THE BORDER IS CLOSED AND DEPORTATIONS BEGIN IN EARNEST

Sorry, that grift has gone on long enough.
Posted by Tandemjay
Member since Jun 2022
2449 posts
Posted on 4/5/24 at 6:42 pm to
Ukraine lost when it trusted American politicians.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
74291 posts
Posted on 4/5/24 at 6:43 pm to
Putin will occupy Paris then NYC!!! - OT WarTards
Posted by Adajax
Member since Nov 2015
6148 posts
Posted on 4/5/24 at 6:45 pm to
It's a battle of attrition. Ukraine can't win.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
53713 posts
Posted on 4/5/24 at 6:45 pm to
Then in the next breath, they say Russia's military is incompetent and running out of artillery. Which is it?
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
31084 posts
Posted on 4/5/24 at 6:47 pm to
quote:

Ukraine can't win.


They already lost. Our politicians are to blame fore giving them false hope and sending their sons to die.
Posted by pecxs
Pasadena, CA
Member since Dec 2003
517 posts
Posted on 4/5/24 at 6:48 pm to
UK-rain.e 2020’ is still not UK 1940’
Posted by cadillacattack
the ATL
Member since May 2020
4481 posts
Posted on 4/5/24 at 6:49 pm to

Posted by Boone23
Highpoint NC
Member since Oct 2023
52 posts
Posted on 4/5/24 at 6:49 pm to
Ukrainian's are Russians and vice versa... When this is all done the two sides will have a huge hug fest and give the middle finger to the West.

Biden will still potato...
Posted by Chief One Word
Eastern Washington State
Member since Mar 2018
3701 posts
Posted on 4/5/24 at 6:53 pm to
Actually Ukraine wins if they cut a deal now before they lose another 500k soldiers. They are not getting that land back.
Posted by HonoraryCoonass
Member since Jan 2005
18107 posts
Posted on 4/5/24 at 6:53 pm to
quote:

Today’s America Firsters are voicing a similar refrain when it comes to Ukraine.


We are $34.6 trillion in debt.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
18007 posts
Posted on 4/5/24 at 6:54 pm to
quote:

In 1940 and 1941, America First isolationists argued that the United States should not help Britain resist the Nazi onslaught because it had no chance to prevail. “I have been forced to the conclusion that we cannot win this war for England, regardless of how much assistance we extend,” Charles Lindbergh said on April 23, 1941.

Unless he's talking about committing the US military to the war effort in Ukraine, I don't see the parallel he's trying to draw with WWII.
Posted by chili pup
Member since Sep 2011
2795 posts
Posted on 4/5/24 at 6:56 pm to
quote:

Ukraine will lose only if MAGA Republicans cut off U.S. aid


Nut up or lose then.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
13532 posts
Posted on 4/5/24 at 6:57 pm to

quote:

They already lost. Our politicians are to blame fore giving them false hope and sending their sons to die.


This and this.

We could probably send enough money to Barney and Sheriff Taylor to whip Russia, is that what our position is now. Every foreign country we will fund their wars....wait thats pretty much what we have done for the last 30 trillion dollars
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
13532 posts
Posted on 4/5/24 at 6:59 pm to
quote:

Actually Ukraine wins if they cut a deal now before they lose another 500k soldiers. They are not getting that land back.


Yep.
Posted by ManBearTiger
BRLA
Member since Jun 2007
21862 posts
Posted on 4/5/24 at 7:01 pm to
Ukraine is a false state governed by grifters
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