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re: Player Development from Jay Johnson

Posted on 4/1/24 at 9:35 pm to
Posted by Jim Hopper
Ocean Springs Mississippi
Member since Sep 2019
2131 posts
Posted on 4/1/24 at 9:35 pm to
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Name me one that has lived up to the hype and is a key contributor this year or last year?
This guy name Griffin Herring.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
44024 posts
Posted on 4/1/24 at 9:35 pm to
quote:

Can you read?

I Clearly state high school recruits. Name me one that has lived up to the hype and is a key contributor this year or last year?


quote:

This guy name Griffin Herring.


Jared Jones?
Brady Neal?
Paxton Kling?
Gavin Guidry?
This post was edited on 4/1/24 at 9:36 pm
Posted by countrytiger60
Larose
Member since Sep 2018
3654 posts
Posted on 4/1/24 at 9:36 pm to
they can't compete with Southern, much less the SEC!
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
24511 posts
Posted on 4/1/24 at 9:43 pm to
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Guys he developed players at Arizona. This is only his 3rd year after losing a large portion of the team from a natty.

Berry was arguably the best player on that first team hitting wise.
Posted by FreddieMac
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2010
21101 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 7:40 am to
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Berry was arguably the best player on that first team hitting wise.


I am not happy the baseball team is playing like they are, but you are coming off a team that has lost the majority of its offense. The team has a head space confidence problem right now. The talent is there, they just need to work through it.
Posted by idlewatcher
County Jail
Member since Jan 2012
79379 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 8:47 am to
You don't play for a title and then actually win a title without being a solid coach. He'll figure things out.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278810 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 8:50 am to
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is that none of his high school recruits are key contributors


If I asked you to name his recruits, Could you?
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
Quantico
Member since May 2013
9075 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 8:57 am to
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His best players were brought in by Maineri and had 2+ year under him or were from the portal


I'd argue that players that are in their 3rd to 5th years are better than younger players for the most part. Those same guys that Jay won the championship with got Maineri fired because young teams struggle to win. jay got them as seasoned vets.
Posted by gatigerdawg
Member since Apr 2023
62 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 9:49 am to
To say Jared Jones has not contributed makes me question your rational thought process. The defensive bunt play he made against Arkansas rivals Tre' Morgans. He changed positions when he got to LSU, and his progress is impressive. Most of all, he gets on base, and produces runs. He leads the team in walks and home runs. Last night he moved players around the bases. Not glamorous, but crucial. It's impossible for an SEC baseball team to win with only 4 functioning players. Bear is definitely one of those 4. To be fair, the others you mentioned are struggling.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
44024 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 9:50 am to
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To say Jared Jones has not contributed makes me question your rational thought process.


Well, seeing as I'm listing guys who are actively contributing.....
Posted by PP7 for heisman
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2011
5455 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 2:34 pm to
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- 3 year starter, All-American 1B
- 3 year starter SS
- 5th year senior, utility man who was absolutely nails for the last 3 years
- 3 year starter, All-Everything, best position player LSU has ever had CF
- Saturday Starting P
- Friday, All-Everything, arguably best College pitcher ever, staring P
This doesn't even include:

- 4th year Starting right fielder with big left handed power
- 5th year starting DH
- 4th year bullpen arm that you could make a case for CWS MVP.

The biggest difference I've noticed between this year and last year is who people want out of the lineup.

People wanted a guy like Brayden Jobert benched multiple times throughout last season. He finished the year at .301/.409/.596 with 14 home runs and 49 RBI

This year you're having to bench guys hitting .180.
Posted by Gnash
Cypress, Tx
Member since Oct 2015
5365 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 2:58 pm to
It’s crazy to me how some posters here act like LSU had a championship caliber roster when Jay took the job, and fail to give him credit for development with guys like Jobert, Beloso, Dugas, Thompson, Morgan, and even Crews.
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
27917 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:14 pm to
To the OP’s point, all of the players on your list were committed here when he arrived as well as Milam who was mentioned earlier in the thread.

It’s still too early to be concerned about this topic but it is worth evaluating next year to see how his guys are coming along.
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
8063 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:20 pm to
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It’s crazy to me how some posters here act like LSU had a championship caliber roster when Jay took the job, and fail to give him credit for development with guys like Jobert, Beloso, Dugas, Thompson, Morgan, and even Crews.

I'm not saying he didn't help those guys develop, but basically everyone you named had success before Jay got here.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
44024 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:21 pm to
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To the OP’s point, all of the players on your list were committed here when he arrived as well as Milam who was mentioned earlier in the thread.




So keeping those commitments had nothing to do with Jay? You realize he had to recruit every single one of those guys when he was hired, correct?
Posted by aruss15
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2009
591 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:33 pm to
And he's hitting .167 in SEC play
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
27917 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:36 pm to
You can infer whatever you want, I’m just stating a fact.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278810 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:53 pm to
Having a lack of contribution from the 2021 class is noticeable. Anyone can point fingers but it kind of is what it is. It’s hard to blame that on Jay Johnson.

The best programs strategically stack their recruiting classes on a many number of factors. Jay missed out on that but within a year or two shoukd totally correct itself
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
44024 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:54 pm to
quote:

You can infer whatever you want, I’m just stating a fact.


Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
44024 posts
Posted on 4/2/24 at 3:56 pm to
quote:

Having a lack of contribution from the 2021 class is noticeable. Anyone can point fingers but it kind of is what it is. It’s hard to blame that on Jay Johnson.


I mean, we’re talking with a bunch of people who won’t give the current staff credit for recruits from the 2022 and 2023 classes.
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