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re: If Brock Bowers or Rome Odunze are still on the board at 14, do you take one of them?
Posted on 4/2/24 at 12:32 pm to High Life
Posted on 4/2/24 at 12:32 pm to High Life
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Is there? Lets look at some of the top 10 WRs for last year:
Tyreek Hill.......... 5th round
Amon Ra St. Brown.... 4th round
Puka Nacua........... 5th round
Nico Collins......... 3rd round
Very hard to find the Tyreek Hill of offensive linemen in the 5th round. Pretty much impossible.
Outliers baw. Very hard to find the Tom Brady of QBs in the 7th too.
Anyway Tyreek Hill was a 5th rd pick bc he strangled his old lady, was put on probation, got tossed for OKst and was playing Alabama State. But Jordan Mailata was a 7th so there’s your comp if you really think Hill is a nice example.
you also graciously provided a list of the top 10 PFF tackles and the highest paid, there’s a few names on there you can look at
Bernard Raimann was a third. Same year we traded up to take Penning at 19. Mike Onwenu 6th rd. I know off the top my head guys I wanted that fell in the draft - Orlando Brown 3rd rd, Dawand Jones 4th rd. You can go tit for tat all day on these guys. Like I said pages ago, the best OL the saints ever drafted were late guys. I don’t think it really matters but the data is there if you care for it.
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Ok so nothing I presented holds any truth or weight because you say so... Tight
It’s your opinion, I just disagree. I don’t think NFL teams care about past drafts and where certain positions were drafted. I reckon they are evaluating the players in front of them for the current year
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Posted on 4/2/24 at 1:09 pm to GynoSandberg
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Jordan Mailata
Fell through the cracks cause he was a rugby guy.
Yes there are outliers at every position I agree. But it is easier to predict linemen success/hit rate if you look into it. If you don’t want to look at or accept history, just use common sense. There are only so many athletic, strong, 300 lb humans on the planet earth. You can’t hide these guys under a rock.
Not to mention your other positions success is largely dependent on how your lines play. And our lines suck
This post was edited on 4/2/24 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 4/2/24 at 2:13 pm to High Life
I am not anti OT. I’d take Alt over Rome and Bowers if they all fell. The next crop of guys are just not as good.
For every Andrew Thomas and Tristan Wirfs, there are a Mechti Betcon and Jedrick Willis. For every Sewell and Rashawn Slater, there’s a Alijah Vera Tucker and Alex Leatherwood. For every Charles Cross and Ike Ekwonu there’s a Evan Neal and Penning. I mean these are just your tackles selected in the top 20 the last few seasons. You got your can’t miss anchors then the teams chasing pot o gold, RAS scores and testing numbers, desperate to find the next “guy”
Go do your thing, just don’t frick it up
For every Andrew Thomas and Tristan Wirfs, there are a Mechti Betcon and Jedrick Willis. For every Sewell and Rashawn Slater, there’s a Alijah Vera Tucker and Alex Leatherwood. For every Charles Cross and Ike Ekwonu there’s a Evan Neal and Penning. I mean these are just your tackles selected in the top 20 the last few seasons. You got your can’t miss anchors then the teams chasing pot o gold, RAS scores and testing numbers, desperate to find the next “guy”
Go do your thing, just don’t frick it up
Posted on 4/2/24 at 11:09 pm to High Life
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Is there? Lets look at some of the top 10 WRs for last year:
Tyreek Hill.......... 5th round
Amon Ra St. Brown.... 4th round
Puka Nacua........... 5th round
Nico Collins......... 3rd round
You could probably do this for all positions.
Ja'Marr Chase 1st round
Justin Jefferson 1st round
CeeDee Lamb 1st round
Mike Evans 1st round
Amari Cooper 1st round
DeAndre Hopkins 1st round
AJ Brown 2nd round
DaVante Adams 2nd round
DK Metcalf 2nd round
Posted on 4/2/24 at 11:10 pm to GynoSandberg
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Outliers baw. Very hard to find the Tom Brady of QBs in the 7th too.
Exactly.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 8:40 am to beauchristopher
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You could probably do this for all positions.
Yea no shite. The whole point is there are less outliers at OL. Also more OL are usually taken during the 1st round than WR and TE combined. 1st round OL also 'hit' at a significantly higher rate. This is not some hidden secret.
Yall's ability to nip and jab at a point that is already considered common knowledge is incredible.
Go ahead and take a skill position if you think its worth the risk of going against team needs and the already inherent bust risk. Thats fine, just make sure you're really really confident in that player.
I'm just not that confident in any of those players and it just makes sense imo to build up the trenches during a rebuild.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 8:49 am to High Life
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during a rebuild.
Who exactly is in a rebuild
Posted on 4/3/24 at 9:11 am to goatmilker
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Who exactly is in a rebuild
Tbh I'm not sure wtf we're doing. My coping mechanism is telling myself we're in a "prolonged" rebuild and its all part of Mickey's plan.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 9:41 am to High Life
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Go ahead and take a skill position if you think its worth the risk of going against team needs and the already inherent bust risk. Thats fine, just make sure you're really really confident in that player. I'm just not that confident in any of those players and it just makes sense imo to build up the trenches during a rebuild.
We could argue this all we want but they’re not taking a skill player. The fact that DA has raised concerns about Ramczyk, didn’t resign Peat or sign anyone significant in free agency- it’s basically saying that yes we’re drafting an olineman in first round whether thats at 14 or they trade down.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 9:42 am to High Life
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My coping mechanism is telling myself we're in a "prolonged" rebuild and its all part of Mickey's plan
Have to keep believing that because the alternative (they really think they're going all in for a SB run) is depressing
Posted on 4/3/24 at 9:42 am to Pels_Yaz
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it’s basically saying that yes we’re drafting an olineman in first round whether thats at 14 or when they trade up.
FIFY
Posted on 4/3/24 at 9:50 am to Weekend Warrior79
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FIFY
Actually good point. Probably trade away future assets to move up and get Joe Alt.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 10:18 am to High Life
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Tbh I'm not sure wtf we're doing
I think Loomis will try very hard to prove he was right in taking the organization in the direction he did after CSP left. Add to the matter that he has a very very long leash it may take several losing seasons to either shake up his plan or shake him out of his current position.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 10:38 am to goatmilker
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think Loomis will try very hard to prove he was right
I don’t think Loomis actually gives a shite. Either he doesn’t give a shite or he’s just incompetent. I think Sean carried this org by himself for as long as he could and then he finally had enough. He left for a reason
Posted on 4/3/24 at 11:18 am to High Life
Payton left because he ruined the teams cap for years, made terrible draft choices and realized he couldn't win without a HOF QB.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 11:31 am to GynoSandberg
I think OL is a dire need, and the Saints have painted themselves into a corner in which they almost have to draft OL early, and several of them
But with the new hip drop tackle rules... Bowers is very tempting.
But with the new hip drop tackle rules... Bowers is very tempting.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 11:44 am to Geaux14999
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Payton left because he ruined the teams cap for years, made terrible draft choices and realized he couldn't win without a HOF QB
He didn’t gain those things by changing teams. Also he made Brees into a HOF quarterback. But he did get away from this terrible FO
Posted on 4/3/24 at 1:20 pm to Fun Bunch
Bowers is very tempting.
Braelon Allen RB 6'1" 235 4.4 40 as well
Braelon Allen RB 6'1" 235 4.4 40 as well
Posted on 4/3/24 at 2:50 pm to High Life
He's doing soooo much better in Denver. Already racking up dead cap a ton of dead cap, prob Loomis' fault too.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 2:53 pm to Geaux14999
You’re just mad he left. I get it
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