re: Active Marines - Have Women in the Infantry Had a Negative Impact on the USMC?

I’m no marine but I can say i can say it added a lot of drama, love triangle kind of crap

Army Vet with 2 combat deployments. There are some women that can and will make a lot of men look silly and I don’t have any problem if a woman meets the same standards, but you can’t lower the standards to accommodate political correctness. If a woman wants to and can hack it, let’s ride.

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I’m no marine but I can say i can say it added a lot of drama, love triangle kind of crap

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This is why gays shouldn't have been allowed either. It's an unnecessary disruption and forces the services into illogical, inconsistent policies that degrade confidence.

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The question wasn’t are they nice people

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That isn't what being gtg or a shitbag means, dumbass.

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Good to go or shitbag. Please give us your exact definition shitbag. It obviously wasn’t physical competence.

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Physical competence is the bare minimum. There are plenty of dudes who could PT and ruck who spent their deployments bagging and pushing trash.

A shitbag is a Marine who I can't rely on to do their job.

Next question.

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The results say you're full of shite.

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You like throwing that term around. The point has already been made,…a combat load isn’t the 45 pounds mentioned in some earlier post for the MCRE hump. A real combat load is two to three times that, with crew served weapons and a ton of ammo spread out between every Marine.

Sticking with the MCRE for a second…our standard wasn’t 8 freaking hours either…we understood that we had 6.5 hours to finish, period. Every one I ever did (maybe seven in all) we finished in just over 6 hours. The lightest load used was the one we did to graduate ITB. That one was still with eight 81s, three 50s, 3 Dragons, 3 MK19s, etc. We also had dozens of 240s spread out. That was the easiest one I did as a Marine, and there’s almost no chance a typical WM could have kept up or contributed in any way. The ITB hump included Mt. MF snd 1stSgt’s hill.

Are there some rare, probably roided up, females that could not only keep up but contribute to carrying the load on a movement like that…probably a few. They’re the extreme exception, however.

All the above is just fricking TRAINING! That’s nothing compared to actual fricking infantry combat operations.

I haven’t even touched on the mental aspect and how females differ from males. They’re not fricking wired the same. Just because some butch WM talks tough doesn’t mean she isn’t going to shut down when her fellow Marine’s guts are sprayed all over her face and she herself has a piece of fricking shrapnel sticking out of her leg.

I saw an Army female once manning a 50 mounted to a HUMVEE. She didn’t recognize our vehicles and was yelling for us to stop. I guess the 50 was malfunctioning. She was frantically trying to pull the charging handle on the 50 but couldn’t. I’m almost certain that the bitch would have lit us up if she had the strength to pull that handle all the way back.

My B-billet was Marine Combat Instructor at SOI East. I saw the females going through MCT regularly. Not even their butches female instructor could have passed the male PFT back then. Are there females that can do dead hang pull ups and run relatively as fast for 3 miles as the average male Marine…sure, but they’re unicorns. Even so, pull ups and a three mile time isn’t what defines an infantry Marine.

Go ahead…say everything above is bullshite. That’s about all you’ve got apparently.

That is a non-responsive answer and definitely an evasive answer.

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That is a non-responsive answer and definitely an evasive answer.

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No, it isn't. I didn't need the 120lb retard from Tennessee in my platoon, either. So fricking what.

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That's a bit more clear, I guess. Your point is that every one of the 72 personnel are not going to be Rock Stars. Most of them will have some weakness. Some will have more than others.

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That was one of my main points from the beginning. I'm not sure what was unclear about it.

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The mission is assigned to you - the leader/manager - to make this 72 work as a platoon. If a few of the 72 happen to be female and possess some weakness or other, it won't be a unique deficiency. It will be a weakness or deficiency that you, the leader, has seen before - and it will be managed, as you have managed such issues before. Your 72 will be an effective platoon. Your experience and methods have worked in the past and they will work now.

So you view the whole female infantry issue as a management and leadership challenge that your methods have always managed to overcome. The mission is there, and, your opinion is that all good leaders/managers can overcome any challenges.

We can all agree that there aren't going to be infantry platoons that have more than a handful of female infantry soldiers.

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I don't disagree with any of that.

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WRT the issue someone raised that no male infantryman will ever follow a female infantry platoon leader or infantry company commander, well, it makes no sense to deal in absolutes, so, I don't agree with that opinion, and I'm sure neither do you.

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Yep, and it's an idiotic opinion. Good Marines have no issue following competent officers. "Male infantry Marines won't follow female infantry officers" is a shite excuse by shite Marines or people who don't know what they're talking about.

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Here's your problem, sport. I don't care about this.

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If you didn't care, you wouldn't keep posting about it, now would you sport....

You are such a lying hack....