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re: Getting contacted by work during vacation
Posted on 3/20/24 at 12:56 pm to LNCHBOX
Posted on 3/20/24 at 12:56 pm to LNCHBOX
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GTFO with this nonsense. If you're out the office for vacation, you're out the office for vacation. You want to stay connected to the office, good for you. Doesn't mean Op's friend did anything wrong
if he's in a position where people need to call him for stuff in general AND he didn't make arrangements for someone else to take the lead on those things, then yes, he did something wrong.
we don't know if this guy is a fry cook, a chief surgeon, or a middle manager. i assume if he's getting called while on vacation, he has information someone needs. he should have made arrangements for someone else to relay that information to whoever needs it.
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Posted on 3/20/24 at 1:02 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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But I'll give you a little hint. If you make people money, they favor you over the other fella.
Eh, this isn't always true.
The more responsible people who do their job well get more responsibilities put on them. Then when it comes time for compensation discussion, somehow there's not enough money in the budget for a proper bonus or wage increase.
Also, the talents parable only applies if you receive a return on your investment. As I mentioned above, most employers aren't going to give you a proper return on the "talents" you spent working after hours, on vacation, etc...
An actual real world comparison would have this parable edited to show that all 3 individuals received the same 3% cost of living raise and pizza party even though they did very different amounts of work.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 1:12 pm to FlyinTiger93
Some of y'all are what corporations love...
Employees that live to work and not work to live
On vacation. Do not contact. Even if it is just a week off at home. Do not contact.
Employees that live to work and not work to live
On vacation. Do not contact. Even if it is just a week off at home. Do not contact.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 1:16 pm to pelicansfan123
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I think context is important in a case like this.
Yeah there’s a lot of context missing. Who was calling/texting? Why? Did the employee make clear that they were out of the office?
My job is customer-facing. I always have out-of-office replies up if I’m on vacation, but customers don’t know that unless they actually send me an email. For this reason I’ll usually call/text customers back when I can and let them know I’m out of the office. 99% of the time they completely understand and apologize for bothering. The 1% of the time when something really is super urgent, I put them in touch with someone who can help.
Most internal people check my status on Teams first anyway and see that I’m out. When they do call or text it usually starts with “hey man, sorry to bother you while you’re on vacation but…” and typically there’s a reason they needed to contact me specifically. Probably because I have some critical piece of information the business needs. It doesn’t happen that often. I get it, and that’s generally the only reason I’d call someone on vacation as well.
As for email - as far as I’m concerned, if I have an OOO that says “for immediate assistance contact [person]” I assume anyone who is emailing me is smart enough to realize they need to contact that person if it’s urgent. Otherwise I assume any emails I receive while I’m out can wait until I get back. So I don’t see any reason to get bent out of shape over emails.
I’m just a bit surprised at some of the strong reactions in this thread.. are people really getting blown up with requests to do actual work from people who know they’re on vacation? Because in my career that hasn’t been very common at all and I’m someone who generally expects a lot out of people.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 1:17 pm to DVA Tailgater
quote:Then we have to figure it out. Which is always possible.
What happens if they die in their sleep or go into a coma? Then what?
But if you are in a system outage situation, time is money. And if the quickest way is to get some time from someone on vacation (like I said, extremely rare), then I'll do it. And then we'll follow up during the post mortem to figure out how it can be avoided next time, as usual.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 1:19 pm to Jenious
I was in Saratoga when my boss called me. Said that a trainee walked off the loading rack. Company (refinery contractor out of BR. Baws know) flew me back, reimbursed my trip, paid time and a half for a week. True story.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 1:20 pm to Jenious
If I answer a phone call while on vacations, I claim 4.5hrs of work. I recapture a half day of PTO regardless how long the call or correspondence takes. If I'm working on vacation for any part of morning or afternoon thats a half day of recaptured PTO.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 1:29 pm to StTiger
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Some of y'all are what corporations love...
Employees that live to work and not work to live
On vacation. Do not contact. Even if it is just a week off at home. Do not contact.
if i'm by my phone and get a 2 min call that will save me hours or days of headache, i'm taking the call.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 1:33 pm to poochie
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if he's in a position where people need to call him for stuff in general AND he didn't make arrangements for someone else to take the lead on those things, then yes, he did something wrong.
Nah. Constant calls from work on vacation are a no.
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I have a co-worker who' currently on vacation with his family and apparently he'd being bombarded with text messages/emails. I just overheard him telling one of the managers(VERY loudly) that he would like to be able to enjoy his much needed vacat
None of this is OK. His managers can deal with him being out. That's why they are managers. Only way any of this burden falls on OP's friend is if he didn't tell any of his managers about his vacation.
This post was edited on 3/20/24 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 3/20/24 at 1:36 pm to DVA Tailgater
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No. This why everyone is burnt out and miserable. (American) Society needs to come around on this. It’s okay to get sick. It’s okay to take time off.
Yeah Americans are workaholics but that's changing I think.
My FIL is dealing with cancer and apparently his job (35 years of service) is giving him pushback and he's still working during chemo. F that
Posted on 3/20/24 at 1:40 pm to LNCHBOX
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Nah. Constant calls from work on vacation are a no.
i literally said if his job involves having and disseminating information and he didn't make arrangements for what he knows/controls to be handled by someone else, then it's his fault.
if he leaves the friday before after relaying everything that might come up to his boss or a covering coworker and they still blow him up, don't answer.
if he just walks out friday like he'll be back monday and expects not to be contacted to resolve loose ends, his fault.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 1:40 pm to poochie
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i literally said
Props on reading my whole post.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 1:41 pm to jcaz
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My FIL is dealing with cancer and apparently his job (35 years of service) is giving him pushback and he's still working during chemo. F that
well that's totally unrelated to this conversation and he works for a shitty company.
maybe start a thread asking if you should work for shitty companies.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 1:42 pm to poochie
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maybe start a thread asking if you should work for shitty companies.
Seems related since OP's friend works for a shitty company too.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 1:43 pm to LNCHBOX
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Seems related since OP's friend works for a shitty company too.
how do we know? if i was his boss and he left a ton of unresolved stuff with no plan, i'd be pissed. Actually, i wouldn't call him because he'd be out of a job.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 1:44 pm to poochie
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how do we know?
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co-worker who' currently on vacation with his family and apparently he'd being bombarded with text messages/emails. I just overheard him telling one of the managers(VERY loudly) that he would like to be able to enjoy his much needed vacation.
I could maybe give a company a pass for one attempt at contact while on vacation. After that, frick off and respect the PTO.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 1:45 pm to poochie
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how do we know? if i was his boss and he left a ton of unresolved stuff with no plan, i'd be pissed. Actually, i wouldn't call him because he'd be out of a job.
stfu you houma boomer
Posted on 3/20/24 at 1:46 pm to poochie
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Actually, i wouldn't call him because he'd be out of a job.
Didn't even see this try hard bullshite. Posted on 3/20/24 at 1:48 pm to poochie
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if i was his boss and he left a ton of unresolved stuff with no plan, i'd be pissed
Yep, take care of that shite before you leave or deal with the phone calls.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 1:59 pm to StTiger
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Some of y'all are what corporations love...
Employees that live to work and not work to live
On vacation. Do not contact. Even if it is just a week off at home. Do not contact.
Man, I have a cush job in the grand scheme of things. I work in the office 3 days a week and can usually head toward the house around 2. When I'm at home after that and on my 2 days from the house, I basically just answer calls here and there. I make very good money for the effort by any measure. However, the operations I'm managing are at a cost of millions of dollars per day. Therefore, if there is an important call, I better be available. It doesn't matter if I'm on vacation. It rarely is an issue, but I was just on vacation last week and I took 2 phone calls for a total of about 45 minutes. I'm not going to jeopardize a great income from a job that lets me enjoy my family time all year for the sake of not wanting to be bothered on my "me time".
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