re: SpaceX Starship Flight Test 3 | B10 crashes in Gulf, S28 burns up during reentry

quote:

---

Umm, so the shuttle's SRBs don't count?? They parachuted into the ocean and were recovered. Some were refurbished and used again.

---

Did you not understand the point of my post? Did the SRB ever fly before being strapped onto a manned Shuttle?

quote:

---

But that doesn't invalidate the my observation that the SpaceX's success rate, based upon vehicles surviving launch and reentry, isn't great right now.

---

Thank you for identifying yourself as someone who has no idea what they're talking about in this matter.

Space vehicles are about small incremental progress and several launches and test fires before the final product. Even after they start launching these with humans in them, they're still going to be drastically improving them.

SpaceX is building the biggest missile in human history and trying to control it and make it reusable. So far they've made steady progress with every launch.

quote:

---

Thank you for identifying yourself as someone who has no idea what they're talking about in this matter.

Space vehicles are about small incremental progress and several launches and test fires before the final product. Even after they start launching these with humans in them, they're still going to be drastically improving them.

SpaceX is building the biggest missile in human history and trying to control it and make it reusable. So far they've made steady progress with every launch.

---

And you do? My simple point here is, you can do what SpaceX is doing without blowing up rockets on pretty much every test. (And that's the end of my point.)

Real quotes from both Nasa and Elon Musk...

Gene Kranz


Elon Musk

quote:

---

How would SpaceX be fairing right now with astronauts on these rockets

---

You clearly don't follow space flight or space news at all.

Read up on spacex, their design philosophy and what they've done and then come back.

quote:

---

It's a really stupid fricking point.

---

In other words, you don't have a retort to it.

Look, I get Elon's risk taking philosophy with SpaceX. He's able to do it because technology is to the point where they can automate the rocket flight controls.

But when you start putting lives at risk, it doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

But it's his money and he can spend it however he likes.

quote:

---

But when you start putting lives at risk, it doesn't hold up to scrutiny

---

That's why they're not putting lives at risk.

Are you familiar with the Falcon 9?

quote:

---

That's why they're not putting lives at risk.

Are you familiar with the Falcon 9?

---

Yes. But my point still holds. What were talking about here is a fundamental culture shift in the way NASA did things vs how Musk is doing things with SpaceX. Nasa didn't have the luxury of automated flight plans, gobs digital data downloads and video uplinks. Their stuff had to work right the first time or astronauts would die. so they overengineered everything and had contingency after contingency in place. And that worked really well until Apollo 1. Apollo 1 made them double down on the process until Challenger. But as I said, Challenger wasn't really an equipment failure it was a command and control failure.

I think my perspective comes because I was alive before men walked on the moon. I've seen what our space program can do. As I said, SpaceX's achievements are amazing and beyond what many countries can do. But I can say that and still disagree with the philosophy of how they are testing their vehicles.

quote:

---

Real quotes from both Nasa and Elon Musk...

Gene Kranz

---

You do understand that Kranz said that right after NASA had the mother of all failures in orbit, right?

You don't know your space program history well. We blew up a LOT of rockets before Saturn, and lost two more shuttles after that, along with numerous smaller launches. For every one we lost, the Soviets lost 10.

Falcon 9 had a gestation period that was arguably even worse than Starship. Now it is one of the most reliable platforms available. The Japanese blew up one of theirs 5 seconds off the pad just last week due to a guidance failure. Space be hard. Elon's head is harder, and I thank him for it.

quote:

---

You can't be serious comparing a quote from a flight director about the Apollo 13 mission to Musk's quote, which is clearly about testing rockets

---

Did Musk say it or not?

quote:

---

SpaceX just needs to view the data

---

SpaceX just needs to move 30 miles down the coast into Mexico where reviews will be much quicker