re: Why do so many modern young women intentionally make themselves less attractive?

quote:

---

I don't disagree with your assessment of modern women, but the same must hold true for men, or else, what's their excuse to be out here looking like shite?

---

Men are a whole different mess.

To clarify, I wasn't even speaking specifically to appearance externally, but what I see as a disease that is rooted internally yet presents from a symptom standpoint in some of the appearance items others have mentioned in this thread.

I agree that men have declined from an appearance standpoint, I just think their decline is for other reasons.

I also excluded obesity because that to me is the number one cause of aesthetic decline across gender. That issue sources back to primarily to diet, but a significant improvement in perceived attractiveness would be achieved if the average American lost 10-20lbs.

Setting aside diet based obesity, there is a huge cohort of men who in my opinion have basically given up trying to attract a female and for that reason have put on weight, let their grooming and dressing go and look like a stereotype of an incel or gamer as a result.

Im not a sociologist or anthropologist, but I'd bet that much of what we've seen historically from men trying to look appealing in a traditional way stems from trying to pass on their genes.

When a sizeable percentage of men give up on that quest, why would we expect them to maintain the effort that went into looking good for women?

Call it depression.

Call it nihilism.

Call it being rejected in the dating market.

However you want to define the state they find themselves in post dating, once they quit trying to find a spouse a decent segment of men also give up on anything outside of whatever suits their own hobbies like gaming, etc and which usually doesn't require them to look good in a traditional sense.