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re: Ingram Mid-Season Highlights

Posted on 2/19/24 at 12:33 pm to
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 2/19/24 at 12:33 pm to
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Why is virtually everyone in our rotation able to get up more 3s than BI? Why is BI the only dude that needs that type of help to get up 3s?



Well it starts with the fact that BI is a terrible three point shooter when it's not catch and shoot. He's not Steph Curry, or even CJ, so stop trying to make him be those guys.
2024
38% C&S 33% Pull ups

2023
42% C&S 33% pull ups

2022
36% C&S 21% pull ups

2021
43% C&S 30% pull ups

2020
42% C&S 28% pull ups



While I think he's improving his pull up 3 game, it's not a shot i want him taking, yet that's the only real way for him to get up more 3's b/c he's on the ball too much.

If you want BI taking more threes, then take the ball out of his hands. The soltion to him taking more 3's isnt' taking more ineffecient pull up 3's.

If the ball is going to be in his hands, then him taking a mid range shot from 10-16 feet is more effecient than him taking a 3.

BI has the lowest % of assisted 2 pointers on the team, basically tied with CJ at 39%. They are having to create their own shots inside the 3 point line. Both of them also have 75% of their 3 pointers assisted on, while everyone else on the team is above 90%.
Zion is at 48% of his 2's assisted on. Jose is at 52%, Dyson at 50%, Herb and JV around 60%.




I think BI, as well as Zion could flourish together if they had a true PG that could set them up better. Instead we are playing with an off ball PG (who's been one of the best 3 point shooters in the league this year), and using BI and Zion as PG's.
I honestly dont' know which way would be more efficient to the duo, a true PG or a legit flame thrower like CJ who is also creating shots for himself.

BI is taking more C&S threes than Anthony Edwards this year. 2.5 compared to 2.1. Edwards is 35% on pull up 3's, and takes 4.5 a game compared to BI's 1.4 per game at 33%. BI's 2 pointers are just as effecient as Edwards pull up 3's, both at 106 rating.
Tatum shoots his pull up 3's at 34%, taking 5.8 per game. Also taking less C&S threes than BI at 2.4 per game.




SO again, unless BI can become a 35% pull up 3 point shooter, there's really no reason for him to take pull up 3's, or more pull up 3's, and him getting to the rim or settling for an easy mid range, key word being easy, is a better shot for him at this time. Take him off the ball more or improve his pull up 3 game. which one is it?


This post was edited on 2/19/24 at 12:35 pm
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
111148 posts
Posted on 2/19/24 at 12:38 pm to
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If you want BI taking more threes, then take the ball out of his hands. The soltion to him taking more 3's isnt' taking more ineffecient pull up 3's.
Exactly this, the ball needs to be in Zion's hands more.

How many times this entire season have you thought to yourself, "Man, CJ passed up an open C&S 3 he should have taken? The answer may honestly be 0. But on the flip side, every single game there's at the very least, 1 example of a spot where you wish BI had taken a C&S 3 but instead he catches and either takes 1-2 steps in for a long 2, or just waits to iso the guy who was slowly closing out on him. That's the problem, that right there.
Posted by Pistol44
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2019
1896 posts
Posted on 2/19/24 at 12:55 pm to
Good info, point to Shel is playing Zion and BI together more would up BI's C&S 3s (just 1 or 2 more) due to Zion's gravity, which I agree is the 3 you want him to take. Additionally, I believe it gets Zion a couple of easier shots with BI's gravity.

Absolutely right the space you cede with Zion and BI at point is the vertical center of the court above the key. Really no one on the Pels is equipped to exploit that space e.g. Haliburton, Dame, or Steph. A vast majority of Pels 3s come from the wings and corner.
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