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re: It’s storming in NOLA and Turbine 4 just shut down

Posted on 2/4/24 at 11:08 am to
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 2/4/24 at 11:08 am to
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Memphis, St Louis, are flat lands and they flood


Memphis is built on a bluff and very seldom floods.

It’s called “the bluff city”.
Posted by prplhze2000
Parts Unknown
Member since Jan 2007
51468 posts
Posted on 2/4/24 at 11:08 am to
Drove from Marriott to Interstate
Posted by neworleansnotsouthla
Mid-City
Member since Dec 2023
173 posts
Posted on 2/4/24 at 11:08 am to
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Memphis, St Louis, are flat lands and they flood
Not Katrina flood.
Posted by neworleansnotsouthla
Mid-City
Member since Dec 2023
173 posts
Posted on 2/4/24 at 11:10 am to
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uh, I'm agreeing with you.
I know, I was being an arse with the question mark for others saying im just trolling by saying anything lol
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
146214 posts
Posted on 2/4/24 at 11:24 am to
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Not Katrina flood.


Do you even know why New Orleans flooded during Katrina?

Do you have any idea how many floods there has been in the Midwest that are almost comparable to Katrina?


You’re an obvious troll but you’re not very smart enough to be a good troll
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
4320 posts
Posted on 2/4/24 at 11:34 am to
Those are some great graphics.

Does the new entergy west power substation actually address this problem? I’d love to see that same graph after completion of the substation.

The lakeview and midcity pumps on that graph run on 25 hz. When the pumps are on and functioning they really do move an incredible amount of water.

We can never fix our crime problem because our people are kind of retarded and awful, but maybe drainage will actually improve with reliable power.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
146214 posts
Posted on 2/4/24 at 11:37 am to
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The lakeview and midcity pumps on that graph run on 25 hz. When the pumps are on and functioning they really do move an incredible amount of water. We can never fix our crime problem because our people are kind of retarded and awful, but maybe drainage will actually improve with reliable power.


The water actually went down just as fast if not faster than it came up last night.

The pumps were working, they were just overwhelmed
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
20919 posts
Posted on 2/4/24 at 11:43 am to
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New Orleans always and always will be flooded. Bad location to put a city


Fun fact, the original location of New Orleans (french quarter) has never flooded. The french engineers who planned it out put it in high ground.

But you do you, and claim it's an awful spot.
This post was edited on 2/4/24 at 11:44 am
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
54729 posts
Posted on 2/4/24 at 11:44 am to
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you’re not very smart enough
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
20919 posts
Posted on 2/4/24 at 11:47 am to
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remember a day not too long ago where coastal erosion had people all across the state worried about New Orleans. Now I think people are hoping that NO gets washed away.


Sooner or later that reality is coming.

Couple that with the Mississippi changing course and there's a very real scenario where New Orleans turns into an island surrounded by levees.
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
4320 posts
Posted on 2/4/24 at 11:50 am to
Nola.com

This substation really is a prime example of why our city and state fall behind. This plan was first discussed before Covid. Finally breaks ground end of 2022 with phase 1 complete by end of 2023.

Here we are in 2024 with partially funded phase 1 and a hoped for completion by 2025 hurricane system.

This isn’t a billion dollar project. The city and state should be able to fund and build this to address drainage in its biggest city.

Power for the drainage pumps in New Orleans, another bridge across the river in Baton Rouge, replace the I-10 bridge in lake Charles.

Why are we incapable of helping ourselves?
Posted by johnnyrocket
Ghetto once known as Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2013
9790 posts
Posted on 2/4/24 at 12:35 pm to
Everyone has to deal with flooding if you get a lot of rain.
Iowa, Missouri, and Memphis have gone through some major flooding when they have a big snow year and it melts.

In the Baton Rouge are you have flooding when the Amite River basin cannot handle the amount of rain. Never understood why they haven’t put a pump on the end of Bayou Manchac to pump into Mississippi River.

New Orleans flood as we all know.
The residents pay a lot of tax dollars to the Sewer and water board. Problem is the S&WB waste their tax dollars instead of fixing problems that can be fixed.
Posted by neworleansnotsouthla
Mid-City
Member since Dec 2023
173 posts
Posted on 2/4/24 at 12:54 pm to
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Fun fact, the original location of New Orleans (french quarter) has never flooded. The french engineers who planned it out put it in high ground.

But you do you, and claim it's an awful spot.
I said city not a couple of blocks, stick to Ny biz Ny guy
This post was edited on 2/4/24 at 12:55 pm
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
20919 posts
Posted on 2/4/24 at 1:06 pm to
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I said city not a couple of blocks, stick to Ny biz Ny guy


I might stick around for a little while in case you need help. Let me know.
Posted by Redlos
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2005
1050 posts
Posted on 2/4/24 at 1:16 pm to
So they have to build frequency converters (which are being built now) to take the 60Hz Entergy Substation feed and convert to 25Hz for the old pumps. The substation will be significantly more reliable than their current power feed from Entergy (think like a large chemical plant).

Ultimately they will have much more reliable power with the substation as primary and then the older power plant turbines as emergency backup. Then they will replace those turbines with new ones for backup power.

It’s a lot of interconnected power and pumps work and they just don’t have the funds for $1B investment all at once.
Posted by Tarps99
Lafourche Parish
Member since Apr 2017
7533 posts
Posted on 2/4/24 at 1:46 pm to
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Vegas has an elaborate system to capture rainwater. That’s how it meets almost all of its water needs.


Don’t they also recycle waste water which is why it smells like swimming pool water?
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
4320 posts
Posted on 2/4/24 at 1:55 pm to
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So they have to build frequency converters (which are being built now) to take the 60Hz Entergy Substation feed and convert to 25Hz for the old pumps. The substation will be significantly more reliable than their current power feed from Entergy (think like a large chemical plant). Ultimately they will have much more reliable power with the substation as primary and then the older power plant turbines as emergency backup. Then they will replace those turbines with new ones for backup power. It’s a lot of interconnected power and pumps work and they just don’t have the funds for $1B investment all at once


Thanks. That’s my understanding of this. More reliable generation and two converters for the frequency.

My frustration largely lies in our inability to bite off any of the “$1B investment.” It’s similar to the issues with buying and hardening the power grid. You have to eat that elephant one bite at a time.

This first phase I believe is a $60,000,000 budget. The city alone has an annual budget approaching “$1B.” We keep passing new and rolling forward current taxes as they we don’t have an existential flooding crises.

The money exists, just not the priority or urgency.
Posted by t00f
Not where you think I am
Member since Jul 2016
90433 posts
Posted on 2/4/24 at 2:00 pm to
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Memphis, St Louis, are flat lands and they flood


San Diego just flooded badly recently. Floods all over the country.
Posted by Redlos
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2005
1050 posts
Posted on 2/4/24 at 2:36 pm to
I feel like they had a good chunk of funding setup, however bad state politics messed that up. The reality is that post Katrina the federal investment was made in the hurricane flood protection system ($15B) and no real focus was placed on the interior drainage power generation/feeder lines/pumps/drainage system. At one point the system was state of the art, but that was nearly 100 years ago and we all know how much Louisiana like to do regular maintenance and asset management….
This post was edited on 2/4/24 at 2:37 pm
Posted by NoSaint
Member since Jun 2011
11304 posts
Posted on 2/4/24 at 3:18 pm to
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The water actually went down just as fast if not faster than it came up last night. The pumps were working, they were just overwhelmed


There was definitely a gap where they were out. Sudden resolution when they came back on in neighborhoods- even several videos of the strong currents to the drains once they were running.
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